[arista]

Originally Posted by Lemo

simple question

with me im with it. I smoke cannabis on a weekly baises

Its Explains why you have not been online for a while.

[Jords]

Originally Posted by Stu

So god forbid more people are less stressed and fun?

Your gateway drug argument is still basless and constructed merely on phohibitionist assumptions. That's like saying coca cola is not enough for people so they move onto vodka. Or sniffing lynx is not enough for people so they jump off bridges for 'da buzz'.

Even the government are running out of motivation in the U.S. There are coffee shops opening up in California now and nobody cares anymore. If Obama is re-elected for a second term he could push for full legalisation or at the least decriminalization.

The point is, you can't throw people in prison cells for growing a plant and smoking it and not harming anybody but themselves. Think about it. It's riddiculous.

Coca Cola and sniffing Lynx is less addictive than smoking cannabis.

And for example, when yor first start smoking fags, your nicotine level is low so you only need a few a day, but after a year your nicotine level is built up so you need a lot more a day. Same goes with cannabis, and instead of having lots of it, you move onto harder drugs so you have need a smaller dose for the same affect as all the cannabis would have on you.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Jords

Coca Cola and sniffing Lynx is less addictive than smoking cannabis.

And for example, when yor first start smoking fags, your nicotine level is low so you only need a few a day, but after a year your nicotine level is built up so you need a lot more a day. Same goes with cannabis, and instead of having lots of it, you move onto harder drugs so you have need a smaller dose for the same affect as all the cannabis would have on you.

Says who? Sorry Jords but there is no substance behind what you are saying on this. You can't compare nicotine addiction to smoking weed. And caffeine is more addictive than Cannabis, making Coca Cola more addictive than weed. I'd rather give up weed than coffee. Sniffing lynx is also far more damaging than smoking weed. Solvent abuse can be inseperable with lung and organ damage.

[Lewis.]

A part of me thinks against it.. the part that hates smoking and would never think of doing weed.. but another part of me is for the legalisation.. If they legalised it.. the government could monitor it a lot better.

[Jords]

Originally Posted by Stu

Says who? Sorry Jords but there is no substance behind what you are saying on this. You can't compare nicotine addiction to smoking weed. And caffeine is more addictive than Cannabis, making Coca Cola more addictive than weed. I'd rather give up weed than coffee. Sniffing lynx is also far more damaging than smoking weed. Solvent abuse can be inseperable with lung and organ damage.

Addicition is the same with everything. The longer you have of something the more you want it. And thats goes to you, not everybody will give up canabis over coffee, and what about those who dont drink coffee, sniff lynx or whatever else your trying to compare it with.

Its not the fact cannabis doesnt really harm you, its the fact it may lead you onto harder drugs, which is does, stop saying there is no substance there when there blates is. And these harder drugs are more addictive than your coffee.

[Lemo]

i done cocaine for a few months before going onto weed. so not everyone actually does get an addiction and as someone said its not the weed making you go onto stronger stuff its yourself :L no ones pushing you to do it.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Jords

Addicition is the same with everything. The longer you have of something the more you want it. And thats goes to you, not everybody will give up coffee over cannabis, and what about those who dont drink coffee, sniff lynx or whatever else your trying to compare it with.

Its not the fact cannabis doesnt really harm you, its the fact it may lead you onto harder drugs, which is does, stop saying there is no substance there when there blates is. And these harder drugs are more addictive than your coffee.

But there is no substance behind what you are saying. It's all just your assumption. Compare the amount of Heroin users with the amount of Cannabis users. Thousands versus millions. And please don't say addiction for everything is the same. Cannabis withdrawal is being an irritable, sleepless bastard for a few days. Heroin withdrawal is eight days of coughing your guts up in the toilet and risking shock and death. An alcohol hangover is worse than giving up Cannabis.

Why aren't Alcohol and Tobacco been seen as gateway drugs, here?

[Lemo]

Also weed makes me alot more social my brother smokes weed, now he asks me if he wants to come out and wack some bongs. and me and my brother wasnt very close its actually the only times we talk is when we're stoned (or smoking a joint etc) or making a joint or sorting out a bong. x

[Jords]

I never said symptons of withdrawel are the same, I said the definition of addiction is the same for all things - the longer you have it the more you'll want it.

And you guys are not reading what I am putting >.< Lemo I know its about personalites, legalising the drug would make more people try it, and those with the addictive personalities may move onto the harder drugs, I know cannabis isnt really that harmful, its how it is a gateway.

And the argument about why isnt alcohol and tobacco illegal then is always brought up. And tbh I dont know, probably because the trend is that people who drink alcohol and have tobacco dont tend to move onto hard drugs, but people who smoke cannabis may do - or at least at lot more than alcochol and tobacco users.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Lemo

Also weed makes me alot more social my brother smokes weed, now he asks me if he wants to come out and wack some bongs. and me and my brother wasnt very close its actually the only times we talk is when we're stoned (or smoking a joint etc) or making a joint or sorting out a bong. x

Not a Good Sign.


Hell of a Rut you are in.



Drugs change you.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Jords

I never said symptons of withdrawel are the same, I said the definition of addiction is the same for all things - the longer you have it the more you'll want it.

And you guys are not reading what I am putting >.< Lemo I know its about personalites, legalising the drug would make more people try it, and those with the addictive personalities may move onto the harder drugs, I know cannabis isnt really that harmful, its how it is a gateway.

And the argument about why isnt alcohol and tobacco illegal then is always brought up. And tbh I dont know, probably because the trend is that people who drink alcohol and have tobacco dont tend to move onto hard drugs, but people who smoke cannabis may do - or at least at lot more than alcochol and tobacco users.

That's absoloute bollocks. There's no facts behind what you are saying.

Some claim that trying cannabis increases the probability that users will eventually use "harder" drugs. This hypothesis has been one of the central pillars of anti-cannabis drug policy in the United States,[81] though the validity and implications of these hypotheses are highly debated.[82] Studies have shown that tobacco smoking is a better predictor of concurrent illicit hard drug use than smoking cannabis.[83]

No widely accepted study has ever demonstrated a cause-and-effect relationship between the use of cannabis and the later use of harder drugs like heroin and cocaine. However, the prevalence of tobacco cigarette advertising and the practice of mixing tobacco and cannabis together in a single large joint, common in Europe, are believed to be a factor in promoting nicotine dependency among young persons investigating cannabis.[84]

[Jords]

I said I dont know probably, but tbh I can see more cannabis users moving on to harder drugs than alcohol drinkers and tobacco smokers.

[Stu]

Well unfortunately there is no evidence to suggest what you are saying.

[Lemo]

drugs havent changed me one bit. if it did. then why do i have the same friends now telling me i havent changed :L I dont see anyones problem with smoking weed. hey if you smoke coffee then you're just going to go on harder stuff like caffine pills (coffee has caffine in and thats a drug) and if you do a drug you "change" lol no. i havent changed one single bit. ive been smoked weed untill i became a hardcore smoker (since like february last year) and i havent "changed" a single bit. it makes me sooo relaxed. and just happy that ive got my fam friends and bf.



also

cannabis is highly used in the USA for medical reasons.

[Stu]

People ignore the fact that the stoned state, to the vast majority, is a very relaxing, sociable, spiritually beneficial state of mind. And I have no ambitions whatsoever to go shooting junk in to my balls just because I hit bongs like crazy.

[Jords]

I guess the things were taught in school is just made up **** too

[Stu]

A lot of it is, really. Or exagerrated. Or only shown from one side. You can't honestly tell me that the whole anti drugs thing is looking out for your health when alcohol and tobacco are the legal ones.

[Captain.Remy]

Stu belongs to the Cannabis debate as much as I belong to the Smoking one.

We already had that debate about a thousand times already. I'm tired to explain this one again but I basically agree with what Stu has been saying on the matter. I had my "weed" moments because I was 16, it was new and fresh. Now, it's time to time, when I feel it, it's not bad.

[Shaun]

Have smoked it before, don't really have the wherewithal to smoke it on a regular basis...but I have no problem with it. I prefer getting stoned to drunk, I don't get sick, I don't turn into an obnoxious twat and I don't have to stand in a club playing T-Pain's 'Low'.

[Stu]

Instead you sit down and everyone talks about Prince's early material when eating ice cream.

[Shaun]

Exactly, it's win-win.

[Jords]

I see good points of legalising it and I see bad points. And imo the bad points way over shine the good ones so it should be kept illegal.

If you smoke cannabis, make sure you stick with cannabis and not move onto worse things people

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Jords

I see good points of legalising it and I see bad points. And imo the bad points way over shine the good ones so it should be kept illegal.

If you smoke cannabis, make sure you stick with cannabis and not move onto worse things people

You only listed one bad point and that was not even fact based. There are dozens of good points on the other hand. Less criminal profit, proper age restrictions, safer product, tax money, freeing up jail space, freeing up Police time, and so on and so on and so on.

[WOMBAI]

Made an interesting read - if anyone is interested:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1146752.stm

[Jack_]

This debate has happened so many times now, and I'm completely for it. I've never smoked it, nor do I intend to right now, but that's not to say I won't in the future. I don't know. However, based on the points Stu has made in previous discussions about this, and in this thread too, I'm for it. I see no reason whatsoever why it shouldn't be legalised. None whatsoever.