[jegmeister]

Whereas Stephanie is prepared to criticise Jonas to his face when she diagrees with him, what does Jonas do when she disagrees with Sov (over the cigarettes)?

He nominates her for being selfish but then caves in to give her one when he said he wouldn't. The guy is a hypocrite and in Stephanie's words "a sucker".

[Big_Kahuna]

He nommed the two smokers that are bumming ciggies out of him. He is like his farts- silent but deadly.

[Jords]

I agree, cant believe how 2 faced he is!

[Stephanie]

well tbf i would nominate my friends if they were stealing my fags haha :L
but i wouldn't cave in after and give them one

[GypsyGoth]

After he put Sov through that awful punishment, you'd think he would go easy on her.

He is a cowardly back stabber, and shows no loyality to the people who are nice to him.

[Clockers]

Yep, he is not worthy.

[missmez09]

definitely sulky

[tintedshadow]

Originally Posted by jegmeister

Whereas Stephanie is prepared to criticise Jonas to his face when she diagrees with him, what does Jonas do when she disagrees with Sov (over the cigarettes)?

He nominates her for being selfish but then caves in to give her one when he said he wouldn't. The guy is a hypocrite and in Stephanie's words "a sucker".

my understanding was he nominated her for being selfish in terms of the food situation,and his explanation for giving her fags was because he understands the plight of a smoker,so really he's just looking out for her is he not..

nothing hypocritical about it..

[jegmeister]

Originally Posted by tintedshadow

my understanding was he nominated her for being selfish in terms of the food situation,and his explanation for giving her fags was because he understands the plight of a smoker,so really he's just looking out for her is he not..

nothing hypocritical about it..

that's not what I heard when he nominated her. he specifically referred to the cigarettes as an example of her selfishness.

fair enough to give her a cigarette if he has sympathy for her, but then why nominate her? sorry to disagree but for me it is completely hypocritical.

[trasadkel]

Originally Posted by jegmeister

Whereas Stephanie is prepared to criticise Jonas to his face when she diagrees with him, what does Jonas do when she disagrees with Sov (over the cigarettes)?

He nominates her for being selfish but then caves in to give her one when he said he wouldn't. The guy is a hypocrite and in Stephanie's words "a sucker".

He is not a hypocrite at all IMO. He has to nominate someone and lets be honest, friend or not, doesn't give you the right to behave in that way and expect him to agree with what she is doing. He has been a good pal to her and taken her aside on many occasions to give her some friendly advice but she chooses to ignore it. Even today he has tried to speak nicely to her. If he didn't care he need not bother to do this. He has even given her cigs to help keep the peace.

If Jonas was my friend I would appreciate what he has tried to do for me.

[Raph]

aww no, I love him!
Jonas to WIN =) <3

[Mystic Mock]

i know sov slagged off jonas is song but thats not a reason to nominate her considering he didnt even give that reason

[tanita]

8 smthig pm... Johnas is sniffing Katia's pillow.... yuk, yuk , yuk. ooo, that was gross! now you see Katia's point about him being too much? But I've heard she wanted to get back with him. well, Ok, good luck. if u like that kinda obssesed kinda guy...

[tintedshadow]

Originally Posted by jegmeister

that's not what I heard when he nominated her. he specifically referred to the cigarettes as an example of her selfishness.

fair enough to give her a cigarette if he has sympathy for her, but then why nominate her? sorry to disagree but for me it is completely hypocritical.

oh okay my apologies... perhaps he was hiding his real reason for nominating,i agree though it seems a tad contradictory if thats what happened..

[Clockers]

When Sov gets evicted she gonna focus on one thing, Jonas. All she think about is him being 2 faced and go on and on and on about that. It will be all his fault in her mind, cos Chavs think like that.

[Marten]

As a swede I think I have any idea of what's behind Jonas' reasoning, even if I think it was wrong to nominate Sisqo and Sov. The so called "Jante Law" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jante_Law) has a stronger influence on the scandinavian mind than what people think. Bragging and acting selfishly is not considered "nice" in large parts of Scandinavia, especially in the north and in the more religious areas. You are supposed to mind your own business and don't pretend that you are better than anyone else. It's both good and bad, of course. For Jonas it probably means that when he goes back to Sweden his achievements will not be as recognized as they would have been elsewhere, but it also means that he can go to a local bar without being disturbed, even if he's recognized by everyone. The law itself are more a summary of our collective mind, than guidelines we struggle to follow.

[theother]

Originally Posted by Marten

As a swede I think I have any idea of what's behind Jonas' reasoning, even if I think it was wrong to nominate Sisqo and Sov. The so called "Jante Law" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jante_Law) has a stronger influence on the scandinavian mind than what people think. Bragging and acting selfishly is not considered "nice" in large parts of Scandinavia, especially in the north and in the more religious areas. You are supposed to mind your own business and don't pretend that you are better than anyone else. It's both good and bad, of course. For Jonas it probably means that when he goes back to Sweden his achievements will not be as recognized as they would have been elsewhere, but it also means that he can go to a local bar without being disturbed, even if he's recognized by everyone. The law itself are more a summary of our collective mind, than guidelines we struggle to follow.

Thank you, it was very interesting! Jante Law is typical for any small town I suppose.... but Jonas doesn´t strike me as small-townish... I think your interpretation of Jante Law applies to him better than the one in the link you provided.

[Stacey.]

when vinnie and them lot were going on and on... 'sovs an idiot. You wont be able to say anything to her' etc.
jonas was like: 'i will talk to her.. everyone deserves a second chance'
hes lovely, Not two-faced at all.
He wants his cigarettes to himself,,thats all... nothing wrong with that!

[theother]

Yes, he seems to have more christian charity in him than the Bible basher...

[Marten]

Originally Posted by theother

Thank you, it was very interesting! Jante Law is typical for any small town I suppose.... but Jonas doesn´t strike me as small-townish... I think your interpretation of Jante Law applies to him better than the one in the link you provided.

Yes, it's more obvious in small towns. However, I think it's more like an ideal similar to "political correctness", but cultural. Interviewing scandinavian athletes must be boring indeed. Everyone is so terribly "quite pleased". Jonas is a mystery though. In an old interview on Youtube he looks real shy. In fact, his mother talks more than he does. I think he's struggled to become more self-confident and those over-act from time to time.

[tintedshadow]

Originally Posted by Clockers

When Sov gets evicted she gonna focus on one thing, Jonas. All she think about is him being 2 faced and go on and on and on about that. It will be all his fault in her mind, cos Chavs think like that.

yes and how right you were ....