[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

Yeah, I agree, there's only so much people can do.

Exactly it happens all the time, you do everything you can to help but if they dont want the help then theres nothing anyone can do and you cant keep people locked up forever

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Exactly it happens all the time, you do everything you can to help but if they dont want the help then theres nothing anyone can do and you cant keep people locked up forever

Exactely, What kind of life is that anyway being locked away and probably full of drugs

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

Exactely, What kind of life is that anyway being locked away and probably full of drugs

Well actually some of the new wards are fab, wouldnt mind a stay on them meself, a few benzo's and veg out would do me good LoL (I joke) fact is there are some deeply troubled people in the world and some you can help and some you cant

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Well actually some of the new wards are fab, wouldnt mind a stay on them meself, a few benzo's and veg out would do me good LoL (I joke) fact is there are some deeply troubled people in the world and some you can help and some you cant

and yeah, people have to want to change, you can't force somebody

[InOne]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

So trusting...balls! Its got **** all to do with trust, if someones telling you they want to leave and theyre not going to hurt themselves without sufficient evidence to prove they are in immediate danger there is **** all you can do, thats the system, if someone wants to kill themselves that badly, they will, end of

Of course it's to do with trust, or they would not let them leave in the first place...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by InOne

Of course it's to do with trust, or they would not let them leave in the first place...

But they're not psychic Joe

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by InOne

Of course it's to do with trust, or they would not let them leave in the first place...

Its not trust at all, its whether they can prove they are going to do something or not...you need proof to keep people locked up, time and time again people are let out and everyone knows they could be dead by tomorow, its just a fact you get used to...now had that girl been begging to stay and they let her out that would be a different story, that sadly happens too often too

[InOne]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Its not trust at all, its whether they can prove they are going to do something or not...you need proof to keep people locked up, time and time again people are let out and everyone knows they could be dead by tomorow, its just a fact you get used to

I know, it's nobodys fault. If someone wants to die and they're at the point of no return they will attempt it.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

But they're not psychic Joe

I know, which is why some people are excellent at wearing a mask and fooling them.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by InOne

I know, it's nobodys fault. If someone wants to die and they're at the point of no return they will attempt it.

Yeh but if you think for one second mental health professionals are too trusting or somehow being fooled your very much mistaken, quite the opposite, most are abnormaly cynical lol

[InOne]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Yeh but if you think for one second mental health professionals are too trusting or somehow being fooled your very much mistaken, quite the opposite, most are abnormaly cynical lol

Yes and no, all depends on the patients and their history really.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by InOne

Yes and no, all depends on the patients and their history really.

look most people who have worked in mental health for a number of years know who is or isnt going to be a danger to themselves or others but getting the proof that that is the case is a different matter, thats the way the system works and if someone is telling you one thing and thinking another then theres nothing anyone can do to help them, thats the system

[InOne]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

look most people who have worked in mental health for a number of years know who is or isnt going to be a danger to themselves or others but getting the proof that that is the case is a different matter, thats the way the system works and if someone is telling you one thing and thinking another then theres nothing anyone can do to help them, thats the system

Yes indeed, everyone makes mistakes, and some are better at hiding that they're ill than others.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by InOne

Yes indeed, everyone makes mistakes, and some are better at hiding that they're ill than others.

I can think of a few reasons why people would hide their distress, (apart from being so troubled they can only see one way out), maybe because of the stigma and maybe they misunderstand what mental illness is, its not the way we used to view it... as something you "got" and cant recover from or something that makes you different from others, apart from obvious things like hearing voices the experiences people with mental health problems have dont differ from experiences everyone else has from time to time, theyre just exagerrated and more extreme. I like to think of Sane-Insane as being on a line and all of us are on that line somewhere and most of us a times in our life probably fall in to what is considered abnormal but wouldnt even consider that we have mental health problems. Anyway point is anyone in mental distress can recover if they want to and are honest about how theyre feeling, if not theyre really only hurting themselves... and their loved ones

[InOne]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

I can think of a few reasons why people would hide their distress, maybe because of the stigma and maybe they misunderstand what mental illness is, its not the way we used to view it... as something you "got" and cant recover from or something that makes you different from others, apart from obvious things like hearing voices the experiences people with mental health problems have dont differ from experiences everyone else has from time to time, theyre just exagerrated and more extreme. I like to think of Sane-Insane as being on a line and all of us are on that line somewhere and most of us a times in our life probably fall in to what is considered abnormal but wouldnt even consider that we have mental health problems. Anyway point is anyone in mental distress can recover if they want to and are honest about how theyre feeling, if not theyre really only hurting themselves... and their loved ones

Yeah I know what you mean. It's not always easy to talk about and the stigma and some of the names of the labels aren't too plesant either. That is why i'm half and half with labels really. I mean a Personality Disorder would not be a nice label to have. But with like Bipolar and Scitztophrinia, you can use those labels to get the treatment that is right for you. And say like with ADHD, you get more help at Uni and that. It all depends on the person I guess, cos some people wear their labels with a badge of honour which is not good.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by InOne

Yeah I know what you mean. It's not always easy to talk about and the stigma and some of the names of the labels aren't too plesant either. That is why i'm half and half with labels really. I mean a Personality Disorder would not be a nice label to have. But with like Bipolar and Scitztophrinia, you can use those labels to get the treatment that is right for you. And say like with ADHD, you get more help at Uni and that. It all depends on the person I guess, cos some people wear their labels with a badge of honour which is not good.

Well people like to identify with something and sometimes that might be all they have sad as it is. I hate labels as you might have noticed, someone might be prone to certain symptoms but thats it for me, no two people are alike and very often people in distress have symptoms from all of the labels I dont see how a psychiatrist who sees you for 5 minutes a week can put anyone in a particular box, its ridiculous, a persons diagnosis could change from day to day depending on their mood and what theyre feeling and that In my experience is the truth of it. Treat symptoms not a diagnosis, thats the way its heading and so it should

[InOne]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Well people like to identify with something and sometimes that might be all they have sad as it is. I hate labels as you might have noticed, someone might be prone to certain symptoms but thats it for me, no two people are alike and very often people in distress have symptoms from all of the labels I dont see how a psychiatrist who sees you for 5 minutes a week can put anyone in a particular box, its ridiculous, a persons diagnosis could change from day to day depending on their mood and what theyre feeling and that In my experience is the truth of it. Treat symptoms not a diagnosis, thats the way its heading and so it should

Indeed, that is a good way for most things but some do need labels, like ADHD. Cos it would be awful to be on meds for years and them not being the rights ones. I guess with meds at the start it's alot of trial and error anyway. I have considered getting myself referred to Mausley lol get me sorted once and for all

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by InOne

Indeed, that is a good way for most things but some do need labels, like ADHD. Cos it would be awful to be on meds for years and them not being the rights ones. I guess with meds at the start it's alot of trial and error anyway. I have considered getting myself referred to Mausley lol get me sorted once and for all

listen your young, dont stress, concentrate on building your life, go to college, hell do a health and social care course and go from there, join the mental health profession!! (we walking wounded make the best people for the job), get off TIBB once in a while and do something positive you'll be fine

[InOne]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

listen your young, dont stress, concentrate on building your life, go to college, hell do a health and social care course, join the mental health profession (we walking wounded make the best people for the job), get off TIBB once in a while and do something positive you'll be fine

I always do positive things

[Beastie]

Poor girl and poor family.

Well the suicide rate is increasing. ANYONE at any point could commit suicide. It is just so sad. Depression is one of the biggest killers nowadays

[InOne]

Originally Posted by thebeast

Poor girl and poor family.

Well the suicide rate is increasing. ANYONE at any point could commit suicide. It is just so sad. Depression is one of the biggest killers nowadays

Aye, all these suicide pacts these teens are making over the net is a bit worrying too.