[arista]

Update 29/2/12 Title Changed due to New Battle


Argentina threatens to ban firms
operating in the Falklands as Royal Navy sends attack submarine


And look at the Dirty Yank
getting it on with the Argie Leader.




And as for you buggers - You only want it now we found the Oil.
It is British and the People remain British on Our Islands.


Of Course in The Falklands War
it was not helped by the Bastard French selling the Argies loads
of Hit Tech missiles cheap.



Ocean Guardian: The rig was towed from Scotland
to the South Atlantic to drill for oil near the Falkland Islands

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz0iSPwr9kr


Argentina is Bankrupt so they may go to War
And Not Win yet again.
Fact.

[Shaun]

lmao, they're so pathetic. I don't know why we put up with their **** to be honest - the people LIVING on the islands have said explicitly they want to remain British - it's British territory.

[arista]

Yes they want Our Oil.

[ILoveTRW]

Falkland War II

*rubs hands in excitement*

[arista]

Originally Posted by ILoveDC

Falkland War II

*rubs hands in excitement*

If they are Stupid enough to start that
it will be fast and they will be Smashed into a hole.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by arista

If they are Stupid enough to start that
it will be fast and they will be Smashed into a hole.

I dont think so Sunny Jim there isnt the manpower left in the uk to send either an army the size of the one we sent in 1982 nor is there the Navy to transport and protect them en route.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Shasown

I dont think so Sunny Jim there isnt the manpower left in the uk to send either an army the size of the one we sent in 1982 nor is there the Navy to transport and protect them en route.

If that was True they would have taken it over by now
hon.



You Know Nothing.


Nuke Sub is there.


Take us on and you Die.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by arista

If that was True they would have taken it over by now
hon.



You Know Nothing.


Nuke Sub is there.


Take us on and you Die.

Argentina at the time of the Falklands conflict was ruled by a military junta, lead by Galtieri. the decision to invade and retake the Falkland Islands was a political decision designed to bolster national pride and take peoples mind off the economic crisis and civil unrest at home. The junta decided that Britain was unlikely to recover the islands by military intervention but assumed we would try a political negotiated settlement through the UN. Even if we decided to try to retake the islands they anticipated being able to defend them. Bit of an underestimation.

Following the occupation of a whaling station in South Georgia by Argentinian scrap metal dealers, diplomatic objections etc only served to bring the occupation of the islands by Argentinian forces forward. the british government at the time didnt listen to the warnings of both diplomats or military experts.

The US tried to mediate a solution while the british task Force was being prepared and then underway however the argentinians refuced to negotiate.

Following a conflict in which over 600 Argentinians and over 250 Brits lost their lives the Argentinian forces surrendered. This had the knock on effect of the fall of the Argentine Junta and a return to democracy, and The British Government under Margaret Thatcher being re-elected, when they probably wouldnt have been without the victory.

Whilst Argentina still lay claim to the Falklands, they are very unlikely to resort to military measures to regain them preferring instead to use diplomacy

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8529605.stm

Incidentally there is a British Garrison(for want of a better word) - FIG, still down in the Falklands, which was set up to bolster the defence of the Islands and to hold off any invasion for about three or four days, the time in which UKRRF (United Kingdom Rapid Reinforcement Forces)- now called JRRF - Joint Rapid Reaction Force would take to deploy from the UK by air.

Unfortunately due to manpower cuts and other operational commitments this has in turn been reduced: removal of permament submarine patrol in the area, reduction of LLAD(Low Level Air Defence Systems) reduced manpower available for FIC duties (Falkland Infantry Company), Reduction in Air Assets - removal of the Standby Aircraft for CAP (combat air patrol) and Air Interdiction Operations

As for the Nuclear submarine in the area, it will be a nuclear powered submarine and that doesnt mean it will be carrying nuclear weapons, it isnt permanently on station down there, it used to be relieved in place now its one in one out of port. All UK submarines are issued with conventional torpedoes for anti shipping operations and they wouldnt go Nuke except as a last resort, in the defence of the UK mainland or as a retaliatory measure after the release of Chemical Radioactive Bilogical weapons against a UK (or allied) asset.

Incidentally I do know what i am talking about, unlike yourself I do not rely on press reports from newspapers with a particular point to prove etc to cloud the situation.

[arista]

Again
if that is the case they would walk into Our Islands.

This is not about all about press reports.

"Argentina rallies regional support"
yes we all know about that.

Why do they not Invade?

"that doesnt mean it will be carrying nuclear weapons"
You Do not know that.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by arista

Again
if that is the case they would walk into Our Islands.

This is not about all about press reports.

"Argentina rallies regional support"
yes we all know about that.

Why do they not Invade?

Because of these:

http://www.falklands.info/history/unresolutions.html

And because they are gathering support in Latin America and other areas so that they can take the dispute back to to the UN General Council. If they get enough support they hope we will accept a UN decision to give it all to them. Without bloodshed, without loss of life, without any major cost to them.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8533860.stm

If you read the article carefully you will see we are losing support and they are gaining it.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle7038582.ece

In effect we are drilling down there exploration wells and then capping and sealing them, Its not currently as economically viable for us to run the gas and oil out as a full industry. The Argies play the waiting game and in thier eyes the UN gives them the islands back, they get the islands the oil and gas and the ready to be tapped wells. easy innit, a little bit of rational thought instead of emotive postings eh?

[arista]

Yes Of Course
we are alone there.
What you are saying is nothing New
hon.


They need to invade now
just before the UK Election.

[Shasown]

Incidentally the British Government knew there was Oil and Gas fields down there in the 1970's, following the conflict in 1982 it gave us the opportunity to build up Mare harbour (in the south of East Falkland with lots and lots of oil and gas storage some of which has never been used) Funny old thing that.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Incidentally the British Government knew there was Oil and Gas fields down there in the 1970's, following the conflict in 1982 it gave us the opportunity to build up Mare harbour (in the south of East Falkland with lots and lots of oil and gas storage some of which has never been used) Funny old thing that.

For Sure.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by arista

For Sure.

Here take a read through this, it may provide shocking reading

http://www.uknda.org/tri-service_matters/c-17.html

Its an excellent bedtime read, right up there with Clancy and Grisham

Whilst its not an official document all the facts and figures are or rather were accurate at the time of writing. The bulk of the document was produced between 2003(after the Revisions to the Strategic Defence Review) and 2007 with the odd amendment where required in 2008.

Given that in 1982 the amount of money in real terms spent on defence was over double what it is now. And we didnt really have as many overseas operational commitments. Now we have Iraq and Afghanistan, less than half of the manpower following SDR etc that we had in 82.

What isnt realised is that we came very very close to losing, units were on the last stocks of ammunition, the men were physically exhausted, and it could have been us handed our arses on a plate. If a similar situation occured today there is no way we would be able to reclaim the Islands back.

[LeatherTrumpet]

I think we should give them this vile little rock. Move everyone back to the UK and stop being all 19th century about it. ridiculous

[karezza]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I think we should give them this vile little rock. Move everyone back to the UK and stop being all 19th century about it. ridiculous

I agree - we must defend the Falklands at all costs. The Yanks are treacherous scum.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I think we should give them this vile little rock. Move everyone back to the UK and stop being all 19th century about it. ridiculous

Obviously you have never been there, the islands are quite scenic and beautiful, somewhat like Northern Scotland.

So what you are proposing is forcibly removing the islanders back to the UK mainland, then handing the islands back over to Aregentina, after all the money we have sunk into them, not to mention the lives?

Yeah great idea.

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Obviously you have never been there, the islands are quite scenic and beautiful, somewhat like Northern Scotland.

So what you are proposing is forcibly removing the islanders back to the UK mainland, then handing the islands back over to Aregentina, after all the money we have sunk into them, not to mention the lives?

Yeah great idea.

The Malvenas should obviously be part of Argentina IMHO. Just because we sent settlers out there many moons ago doesn't make it "British" any more than if Argentina had colonised the Western Isles of Scotland.and hold them as national territory.

At some point you've got to say 'end of empire' and hand back things like India or South West Africa.

The Malvenas are Argentinian - it's just that the military Junta of the time made a mistake by trying to take the Malvenas back by force to distract their population from the domestic problems. It had the reverse effect as they were outed we were stuck with Thatcher/Tory domination for many miserable years

Shas - if you fought there then fine and I respect your courage and will.............I'd still rather give it back, it's not the end of the world that the settlers' descendants have to be repatriiated. I'm pretty sure the Argentinian government would offer them full Argentinian passports and not require them to leave anyway.

You jokingly moaned about how Iraq/Afghanistan had cost you money - give the Malvenas back and you're quids-in.

I'll continue to call it the Malvenas

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by arista

Argentina threatens to ban firms
operating in the Falklands as Royal Navy sends attack submarine

Anda the Royal Navy torpedoes an ageing WW2 cruiser sailing directly away from the Malvenas and ouwith the illegal "exclusion zone" anyway so The Sun can say "GOTCHA" about the illegal drownings.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Claymores

The Malvenas should obviously be part of Argentina IMHO. Just because we sent settlers out there many moons ago doesn't make it "British" any more than if Argentina had colonised the Western Isles of Scotland.and hold them as national territory.

At some point you've got to say 'end of empire' and hand back things like India or South West Africa.

The Malvenas are Argentinian - it's just that the military Junta of the time made a mistake by trying to take the Malvenas back by force to distract their population from the domestic problems. It had the reverse effect as they were outed we were stuck with Thatcher/Tory domination for many miserable years

Shas - if you fought there then fine and I respect your courage and will.............I'd still rather give it back, it's not the end of the world that the settlers' descendants have to be repatriiated. I'm pretty sure the Argentinian government would offer them full Argentinian passports and not require them to leave anyway.

You jokingly moaned about how Iraq/Afghanistan had cost you money - give the Malvenas back and you're quids-in.

I'll continue to call it the Malvenas

Slight difference with the other bits of the old empire is that there are no indigenous natives wanting to break away rather the locals down there decided unanimously to remain part of the UK.

Its not about what anyone wants really, its simply a way of staking a claim on natural resources in the area. It also provides the UK with a great stopover point for when its decided the other resources in the world are running so low its time to rape Antarctica. Its planning for the future of our children and our childrens children.

You can call them what you like but if you look at it's history it was named the Falkland Islands in 1690, they werent settled till 1764 by the French and its from their name for the islands the name Malvinas is derived, - Iles Malouines.

The money I lost out on due the party in Iraq was a personal allowance that due to commitments imposed by Uncle Tony I was unable to claim. But hey ho he got his consultancy fees out of it, so alls well with the world.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Claymores

Anda the Royal Navy torpedoes an ageing WW2 cruiser sailing directly away from the Malvenas and ouwith the illegal "exclusion zone" anyway so The Sun can say "GOTCHA" about the illegal drownings.

Following messages from the British Government through the Swiss on April 23rd where it was stated that the British Forces in the area would view all Argentine military assets in the area as legitimate military targets under the mandate for self defence under the UN's Charter 51, the actual heading and speed of a military vessel is immaterial in military operations, its position intent and capabilities are however critical.

Argentine Rear-Admiral Allara, who was in charge of the task force that the Belgrano was part of, said "After that message of 23 April, the entire South Atlantic was an operational theatre for both sides. We, as professionals, said it was just too bad that we lost the Belgrano".

In 1994 the Argentine government conceded that the sinking of the Belgrano was "a legal act of war".

Admiral Enrique Molina Pico, head of the Argentine Navy in the 1990s, wrote in a letter to La Nacion, published in the 2 May 2005 edition, that the Belgrano was part of an operation that posed a real threat to the British task force, that it was holding off for tactical reasons, and that being outside of the exclusion zone was unimportant as it was a warship on tactical mission. Although this is the official position of the Argentine Navy his comments were soon heavily criticized.

Source: Wikipedia.

[arista]

Boycott British products! Argentina orders top 20 firms to shop elsewhere as tensions continue to rise over Falklands

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1nnNl24Px



Now She wants a Trade War.


Well Feck you
your Nations Stuff
I will not buy.

Nasty Bitch Leader

[lostalex]

I have a simple solution for this whole problem. Allow free immigration between Argentina and the Malvinas/Faulklands. Allow Argentinian people to live there. and work there, and the demographic will change over time, and eventually Argentinians will outnumber the brits, and they will choose to become part of Argentina.

This seems like the most natural and peaceful resolution to this whole thing.

Allow immigration.

It is wrong that Argentinians are not allowed to immigrate to these islands. Segregation is not okay. The British are trying to keep the Malvinas/Faulklands RACIALLY british, and that is wrong, and racist.

The situation as it is right now is no different to South Africa, another British colonial screw up. Don't repeat the same mistake.

[arista]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I have a simple solution for this whole problem. Allow free immigration between Argentina and the Malvinas/Faulklands. Allow Argentinian people to live there. and work there, and the demographic will change over time, and eventually Argentinians will outnumber the brits, and they will choose to become part of Argentina.

This seems like the most natural and peaceful resolution to this whole thing.

Allow immigration.

It is wrong that Argentinians are not allowed to immigrate to these islands. Segregation is not okay.

Silly You

They Invaded all of them
We Do Not Get On


Its Our Land
Our Oil

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by arista

Silly You

They Invaded all of them
We Do Not Get On


Its Our Land
Our Oil

who is "we"? WHITE BRITS??