[BBfan46]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Thats like saying you should be allowed to say you hate someone for being gay/ethnic though.

It is something they CANT help.

I can't help your prejudices, I can't stop you hating on someone for whatever reason, but I can stop you from openly talking about it and risking upsetting other people by your bigoted views.

I think you're in line for a talk show Vicky

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Erm have i become attractive overnight or is everyone taking the piss lol

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Thats like saying you should be allowed to say you hate someone for being gay/ethnic though.

It is something they CANT help.

I can't help your prejudices, I can't stop you hating on someone for whatever reason, but I can stop you from openly talking about it and risking upsetting other people by your bigoted views.

yeah, thats my whole point, if i can hate tommy because he supports man utd, why can't i hate him for being gay/

when you consider how light hearted football rivalry is taken by the media tv etc, some people can't help who they support because it's forced on them...



I'm taking shyte again. sorry..i'm not prejudiced anyway, i would if the opportunity arose give brians penis a little shake for him.

[Niall]

Yeah I have to agree. Political correctness has gone WAY to far in this country nowadays. And I do think certain people on here are too snobby to know what banter is.

The way I see it is: you only live once so why be all serious about it?

[Chilltown]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

About this.

If you hate her, say WHY you hate her rather than resorting to calling her a ******. Otherwise it looks like you only hate her because of her surgery, if this is NOT the case then it shouldnt be too difficult to express your opinion without saying things about her trans-gender.

Hold on, you're twisting my words now. I shouldn't have to explain anything further JUST BECAUSE somebody is different. If someone hates Ulrika, they aren't asked to explain why in every single post. I can hate things just because I do. And I hate her because I find her obnoxious, childish and she got my initial favorite Coolio out due to her whiny tantrums.

And just because I said I hated Nadia and used the word '******' in the same sentence doesn't mean I hate her for being a ******. I was saying that exact point.

[AfroMullet]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Brian Belo is black???????????

No, thats a common misconception, he's a talking coconut.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

yeah, thats my whole point, if i can hate tommy because he supports man utd, why can't i hate him for being gay/

hating someone because of a football team they support, and hating someone for the way they were born is totally different though :S

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Chilltown

Hold on, you're twisting my words now. I shouldn't have to explain anything further JUST BECAUSE somebody is different. If someone hates Ulrika, they aren't asked to explain why in every single post. I can hate things just because I do. And I hate her because I find her obnoxious, childish and she got my initial favorite Coolio out due to her whiny tantrums.

And just because I said I hated Nadia and used the word '******' in the same sentence doesn't mean I hate her for being a ******. I was saying that exact point.

Oh no no I didnt mean that AT ALL.

You dont need to explain in every post why you hate her, I never said that.

But if someone posts things like 'get the ****** out' for example...then people will view it as transphobia...same as if you refer to her penis, it would LOOK like you hate her for being 'different;

Whereas if you type 'Get nadia out', or 'I ****** hate that bitchy **** nadia' (for example) they wont

[Chilltown]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Oh no no I didnt mean that AT ALL.

You dont need to explain in every post why you hate her, I never said that.

But if you post things like 'get the ****** out' for example...then people will view it as transphobia...same as if you refer to her penis, it would LOOK like you hate her for being 'different;

Whereas if you type 'Get nadia out', or 'I ****** hate that fat **** nadia' (for example) they wont

Well then in that case I agree. If someone were to post "Get the ****** Out" that's no different than saying "Get the Black Out" or "Get the Gay Out" or something along those lines. That shouldn't be tolerated.

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

hating someone because of a football team they support, and hating someone for the way they were born is totally different though :S

Totally agree.


And Vicky, your avatar is just pure awesome!

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Chilltown

Well then in that case I agree. If someone were to post "Get the ****** Out" that's no different than saying "Get the Black Out" or "Get the Gay Out" or something along those lines. That shouldn't be tolerated.

Thanks. Thats all we are trying to get across here...and many seem to be having trouble grasping the concept of it

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Me!

Totally agree.


And Vicky, your avatar is just pure awesome!

haha thanks, I love it so much

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

hating someone because of a football team they support, and hating someone for the way they were born is totally different though :S

ok, i worded that all wrong.

what i was trying to say was that if i hate tommy for twisting my nipples at school, i would call tommy names, and a man utd **** would be one of them..so if i hate nadia for being a complete twat(no pun intended) i might call her a cut off cock ****..or something as childish..

it's the hate that has to be addressed, not why your're hating someone..because i believe that there is absolutly zero people on this forum that hate nadia becuase she used to be a man..

[BBfan46]

Banter's fine.
But whoever said don't get serious because you only live once, but you have to be selective, because an excessive use of banter can really offend and we should just focus on hating people because their wankers not because they're black, white, gay, straight, fat or thin

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

About this.

If you hate her, say WHY you hate her rather than resorting to calling her a ******. Otherwise it looks like you only hate her because of her surgery, if this is NOT the case then it shouldnt be too difficult to express your opinion without saying things about her trans-gender.

Thats actually positive discrimination in favour of transgender people, surely if anyone was to say they hate any housemate, they would under that sort of logic have to then identify their own sexuality and a case for the statement they made about the housemate.

Who is to say any gay/lesbian or transgender forum members couldnt simply be making heterophobic comments about housemates because of their own prejudices?

Will you apply the same rulings to all comments of hatred about any housemate?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

ok, i worded that all wrong.

what i was trying to say was that if i hate tommy for twisting my nipples at school, i would call tommy names, and a man utd **** would be one of them..so if i hate nadia for being a complete twat(no pun intended) i might call her a cut off cock ****..or something as childish..

it's the hate that has to be addressed, not why your're hating someone..because i believe that there is absolutly zero people on this forum that hate nadia becuase she used to be a man..

Well you would be very wrong in that assumption. Many people would hate someone just for being a transsexual. Much as many people hate people just for being gay. It happens. Although most people try to hide it.

If you truly had no problem with her being a transsexual, you wouldn't feel the need to resort to childish jibes about her penis. You would find some aspect of her personality to pick on instead.

The hate does not have to be addressed. People should feel free to hate/love housemates, as thats the whole point of the program.

But when it comes to prejudiced comments, whether or not you actually hate the person because of that prejudice, there is a problem.

For example. You hate Paul...because he's been bitching about you behind your back. Paul is gay. Would you call him a bitching *********? No of course not. Or I would at least hope you wouldn't :S

This is no different. Any kind of prejudice shouldn't be tolerated. Again, people can't help how they are born.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by BBfan46

Banter's fine.
But whoever said don't get serious because you only live once, but you have to be selective, because an excessive use of banter can really offend and we should just focus on hating people because their wankers not because they're black, white, gay, straight, fat or thin

but if you hate someone you will pick at everything about them which includes colour, sexuality or whatever, just pure and simply because you hate them.

So in my eyes, all hate threads should be banned.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Thats actually positive discrimination in favour of transgender people, surely if anyone was to say they hate any housemate, they would under that sort of logic have to then identify their own sexuality and a case for the statement they made about the housemate.

Who is to say any gay/lesbian or transgender forum members couldnt simply be making heterophobic comments about housemates because of their own prejudices?

Will you apply the same rulings to all comments of hatred about any housemate?

I'm not quite getting what you are meaning here...

What heterophobic comments do you mean?

I didnt mean anyone HAD to give a reason for hating housemates. But using 'because she has a cock' as a reason for hating her, is unacceptable :S

[BBfan46]

Originally Posted by parmnion

but if you hate someone you will pick at everything about them which includes colour, sexuality or whatever, just pure and simply because you hate them.

So in my eyes, all hate threads should be banned.

I hate Nadia because she's an over-reacting drama queen and I'll call her out on that because that's something she can address and attempt to resolve, but I wouldn't insult her because she was a woman trapped in a man's body, she can't help that and it's no fault of her own.

[luminoussun]

Hey everyone it does'nt matter whats on the outside...it's what it is on the inside that counts...and nadia is a gobby snobby jumped up drama queen who thinks this whole show has been made to put the crown on her head.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Well you would be very wrong in that assumption. Many people would hate someone just for being a transsexual. Much as many people hate people just for being gay. It happens. Although most people try to hide it.

If you truly had no problem with her being a transsexual, you wouldn't feel the need to resort to childish jibes about her penis. You would find some aspect of her personality to pick on instead.

The hate does not have to be addressed. People should feel free to hate/love housemates, as thats the whole point of the program.

But when it comes to prejudiced comments, whether or not you actually hate the person because of that prejudice, there is a problem.

For example. You hate Paul...because he's been bitching about you behind your back. Paul is gay. Would you call him a bitching *********? No of course not. Or I would at least hope you wouldn't :S

This is no different. Any kind of prejudice shouldn't be tolerated. Again, people can't help how they are born.

I get you, but i don't agree with you..i do know though if pauls was slagging me off behind my back i'd punch his ****ing ******ty head in...lol, joke..


seriously though, shawsons came up with a good point and is probably better equipped to discuss/argue the point further than i am..

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by luminoussun

Hey everyone it does'nt matter whats on the outside...it's what it is on the inside that counts...and nadia is a gobby snobby jumped up drama queen who thinks this whole show has been made to put the crown on her head.

you see, i would find it funny to say that the only thing inside nadia is her own cock..it's not supposed to come across as prejudiced, it's not pure hatred, it's a joke, probaly because deep down i do actually like her and admire her guts.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I'm not quite getting what you are meaning here...

What heterophobic comments do you mean?

I am not saying heterophobic comments are being made. Just like transphobic hatred cant be ruled out, but if staff decide to punish forum members for simply putting up that they hate Nadia for example without some form of qualifier for that dislike, then surely the same rule should be applied right across the forum over comments about any housemates both present and past.

Otherwise you are making her into a special case which is positive discrimination.

Incidentally during the male to female gender reassignment surgery the penis is opened lengthwise an insertion is made into the abdominal cavity and the penile tissue is inserted in the body to form the vaginal cavity.

Some of the head of the penis is used to form a clitoral substitute, depending upon the skill of the surgeon. So to all intents and purposes she still has a penis. Its just been reformed into female sex organs. there are a few fascinating and quite gory videos on gender reassignment surgery on the net.

[BBfan46]

Originally Posted by parmnion

you see, i would find it funny to say that the only thing inside nadia is her own cock..it's not supposed to come across as prejudiced, it's not pure hatred, it's a joke, probaly because deep down i do actually like her and admire her guts.

That's not so much prejudice, more controversial humour.

[parmnion]

how do they make the pee hole shawson? and can nadia only take a cock the same size as hers was?