[parmnion]

Originally Posted by BBfan46

That's not so much prejudice, more controversial humour.

thanks.

I'M CONTROVERSIAL.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Shasown

I am not saying heterophobic comments are being made. Just like transphobic hatred cant be ruled out, but if staff decide to punish forum members for simply putting up that they hate Nadia for example without some form of qualifier for that dislike, then surely the same rule should be applied right across the forum over comments about any housemates both present and past.

Otherwise you are making her into a special case which is positive discrimination.

Incidentally during the male to female gender reassignment surgery the penis is opened lengthwise an insertion is made into the abdominal cavity and the penile tissue is inserted in the body to form the vaginal cavity.

Some of the head of the penis is used to form a clitoral substitute, depending upon the skill of the surgeon. So to all intents and purposes she still has a penis. Its just been reformed into female sex organs. there are a few fascinating and quite gory videos on gender reassignment surgery on the net.

Oh I didn't mean that at all. Of course people dont have to justify WHY they hate her...I actually edited my post a few minutes after I posted it to include that. If they just say they hate her, it wont be challenged, thats just plain ridiculous.

What I meant was if people say ' I hate nadia,stupid man with its penis cut off' or words to that effect, then it is prejudice, and it shows. And will be punished.

If they just put 'I hate nadia so ******* much' or 'Nadia is so stupid' for example then there isnt a problem at all.

[parmnion]

what about making jokes about it but stating we love nadia?

[BBfan46]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Oh I didn't mean that at all. Of course people dont have to justify WHY they hate her...I actually edited my post a few minutes after I posted it to include that. If they just say they hate her, it wont be challenged, thats just plain ridiculous.

What I meant was if people say ' I hate nadia,stupid man with its penis cut off' or words to that effect, then it is prejudice, and it shows. And will be punished.

If they just put 'I hate nadia so ******* much' or 'Nadia is so stupid' for example then there isnt a problem at all.

I made a thread saying I hated Nadia and you closed it, other than that I'm completely on your wave length.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

what about making jokes about it but stating we love nadia?

You wouldnt need to state that you love nadia :S

I don't actually know about jokes, as we dont allow racist jokes...or anything like that as far as I am aware. I will get back to you on that, as I'm not the be all and end all of every rule :S

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by BBfan46

I made a thread saying I hated Nadia and you closed it, other than that I'm completely on your wave length.

Erm, where was that?!

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

You wouldnt need to state that you love nadia :S

I don't actually know about jokes, as we dont allow racist jokes...or anything like that as far as I am aware. I will get back to you on that, as I'm not the be all and end all of every rule :S

cheers.


I know it's a difficult situation, but it is the same for us posters as well.

[Astaril]

Originally Posted by parmnion

but if you hate someone you will pick at everything about them which includes colour, sexuality or whatever, just pure and simply because you hate them.

So in my eyes, all hate threads should be banned.

Parmnion, I am confused by what your point is?... but if I am reading it right I strongly disagree. There is a difference between hating someone because they act like an idiot and hating someone for a reason that they can't change or do anything about.

I agree with the OP 100% about the stupid "Soandso was evicted because he is black/gay etc.." but I don't think a lot of the people in this thread really get the point he was trying to make, and likely haven't read it properly.

LOL@ Mr XcX Major Fail

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Astaril

Parmnion, I am confused by what your point is?... but if I am reading it right I strongly disagree. There is a difference between hating someone because they act like an idiot and hating someone for a reason that they can't change or do anything about.

I agree with the OP 100% about the stupid "Soandso was evicted because he is black/gay etc.." but I don't think a lot of the people in this thread really get the point he was trying to make, and likely haven't read it properly.

LOL@ Mr XcX Major Fail

my point was that if you HATE someone you will pull no punches when slagging them off.So all hate threads should be banned.

never going to happen though and i'll probably change my mind tomorrow.

[luminoussun]

Can i say "i hate preston because he is'nt a ******" ??

[BBfan46]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Erm, where was that?!

Ah, don't worry, she's got plenty of hate on here at the minute, I'm sure we can spread her one thread

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by luminoussun

Can i say "i hate preston because he is'nt a ******" ??

What a strange thing to ask. :/

I really do not see any reason why you would want to say that

[luminoussun]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

What a strange thing to ask. :/

I really do not see any reason why you would want to say that

just to confuse you a bit and it worked haha

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by BBfan46

Ah, don't worry, she's got plenty of hate on here at the minute, I'm sure we can spread her one thread

I did a search on your name, and found out the thread you meant.

That was closed, because there was no point whatsoever to it. Nothing to discuss, no question or ANYTHING. The only thing you put was 'its all in the title' or something. The title being '**** you nadia*

If you had put something actually inside the thread...then it would have been fine :S

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by luminoussun

just to confuse you a bit and it worked haha

[daniel-lewis-1985]

OMG ive created a monster lol!

Wouldnt suprise if this thread was still going next year

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

OMG ive created a monster lol!

is that what nadias surgeon said?


soz, just another sick joke.

[luminoussun]

I think the only fair solution is to ban any threads that have brian or nadia in the title...and promote more victor threads intead that being a totally unbias opinion of course

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by luminoussun

I think the only fair solution is to ban any threads that have brian or nadia in the title...and promote more victor threads intead that being a totally unbias opinion of course

Haha

Thats....a plan

Lets just change this and make it a victor worshipping forum.

[boomoo]

Originally Posted by Shasown

I am not saying heterophobic comments are being made. Just like transphobic hatred cant be ruled out, but if staff decide to punish forum members for simply putting up that they hate Nadia for example without some form of qualifier for that dislike, then surely the same rule should be applied right across the forum over comments about any housemates both present and past.

Otherwise you are making her into a special case which is positive discrimination.

Incidentally during the male to female gender reassignment surgery the penis is opened lengthwise an insertion is made into the abdominal cavity and the penile tissue is inserted in the body to form the vaginal cavity.

Some of the head of the penis is used to form a clitoral substitute, depending upon the skill of the surgeon. So to all intents and purposes she still has a penis. Its just been reformed into female sex organs. there are a few fascinating and quite gory videos on gender reassignment surgery on the net.

And this is because the unborn child does not have a specific gender until the testes descend at a certain stage. IN the female organs stay inside as the ovaries. The same applies to the other parts of the sex organs

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by boomoo

And this is because the unborn child does not have a specific gender until the testes descend at a certain stage. IN the female organs stay inside as the ovaries. The same applies to the other parts of the sex organs

Thats not strictly true, in a normal pregnancy the sex of the child(foetus) is decided at the moment the sperm fertilises the egg(conception). Its the makeup of the sperm decides the sex of the baby. The Ova(ovum) is always X the sperm can be X, Y or absent -O. Occassionally other abnormalities can occur with the gametes eg double chromosome in a single gamete.

As mammals, sex determination is genotypic. In humans, there are 22 pairs of autosomes and one pair of sex chromosomes. Sex chromosomes can be either X or Y. If you are XX you are female and if you are XY you are male.

In humans, sex is determined by the presence or absence of the Y chromosome. So if the Y chromosome is absent for e.g. XO (known as Turner Syndrome) the zygote will default to female, though the female will be sterile.

Specifically, the genes on the Y chromosome that are crucial for the development of a male is the testis-determining factor. This factor causes the gonads to develop into testes as opposed to ovaries.

source yahoo answers originally Igenetics Peter J Russel

Abnormalities of gender development within the foetus can also occur due to hormonal problems while in the womb. An hormonal imbalance during the pregnancy could cause the external genitalia to develop as apparently female or male while the true sex of the foetus is actually the opposite. so that as an example in later life it is found the undeveloped undescended testes are actually ovaries or vice versa.

[scootergirl]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Thats not strictly true, in a normal pregnancy the sex of the child(foetus) is decided at the moment the sperm fertilises the egg(conception). Its the makeup of the sperm decides the sex of the baby. The Ova(ovum) is always X the sperm can be X, Y or absent -O. Occassionally other abnormalities can occur with the gametes eg double chromosome in a single gamete.

As mammals, sex determination is genotypic. In humans, there are 22 pairs of autosomes and one pair of sex chromosomes. Sex chromosomes can be either X or Y. If you are XX you are female and if you are XY you are male.

In humans, sex is determined by the presence or absence of the Y chromosome. So if the Y chromosome is absent for e.g. XO (known as Turner Syndrome) the zygote will default to female.

Specifically, the gene on the Y chromosome that is crucial for the development of a male is the testis-determining factor. This factor causes the gonads to develop into testes as opposed to ovaries.

Abnormalities of gender development within the foetus can also occur due to hormonal problems while in the womb. A hormonal imbalance during the pregnancy could cause the external genitalia to develop as apparently female or male while the true sex of the foetus is actually the opposite. so that as an example in later life it is found the undeveloped undescended testes are actually ovaries or vice versa.

You are sunbect to copyright laws and as such need to cite other peoples work - fro example the above stuff came from http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...7020013AApuyQW

which in turn came from iGenetics - Peter J Russel

[Chuckyegg]

Of course it's fine to say that you don't like Nadia but to emphasise your point by calling her a "he" and making remarks about genitals is very cheap, cruel, cowardly and completely unacceptable in my opinion. However, in my opinion it is impossible to literally, technically change into a woman but there's no need to take the mickey (when you're supposed to be an adult).