[Angus]

Article from The Independent today:

"Girlfriend 'took lead role in sexual abuse of baby'


Wednesday, 6 October 2010


A paedophile said in court today he was told what to do by his then girlfriend as the pair sexually assaulted and took photographs of a five-month-old baby.


Colin Blanchard said it was Tracy Dawber, 44, who took the lead in the abuse.


Dawber, formerly of Bedford Road, Southport, Merseyside, denies the assault and permitting Blanchard to take the five indecent pictures.


Blanchard, 40, formerly from Rochdale, Lancs, is in custody awaiting sentence after admitting his involvement in the alleged assault by Dawber.


He told the jury at Winchester Crown Court today that Dawber had lifted the child's clothes to show it had no nappy on and he said Dawber told him to look at the child and to take the photographs.


"I was quite passive in the whole thing. I was taking the photographs as instructed," he said.


"I took a photograph and she asked me to show it to her and then I took another and I showed it again and she repositioned the child accordingly."


He said there had been sexual talk during the taking of the images but not much was said afterwards.


The pair had first had normal sex when they met in 2007 before moving on to what Blanchard described to the jury as an "A to Z of sexual desires and fantasies" and the pair discussed child sex.


During cross-examination by Deborah Gould, Blanchard admitted he was selfish and arrogant, that he lied to police and had tried to blame others.


He admitted he had been involved with many other woman including two named in court as Vanessa George and Tracy Lyons.


He had also sent images of child sex to two unnamed women, he admitted to the jury.


He said before his arrest he had been living a "double life".


Miss Gould asked: Did you know what the truth was at that time?"


Blanchard: "No".


Miss Gould: "But you know now?"


Blanchard: "Yes, as strange as it may seem."


Earlier the jury heard Dawber admitted it was her holding the baby in the photographs but denied the alleged wrongdoing.


In interview Dawber told police she could not remember the pictures being taken, but Simon Morgan, prosecuting, told the jury the Nokia phone always flashed when it took the pictures.


He said some had been taken from only about 9in away on August 20 2008.


"The Crown say the defendant was able to see the phone being used," he said.


Mr Morgan said the pair met in 2007 and had a sexual relationship and that she had "linked herself to his grossly unacceptable activities".


She described him as a sociable person but said she had been "disgusted when she heard on the news what he had been involved with".


Blanchard was caught in June 2009 when a work colleague discovered child pornography on his computer, the court heard.


He was arrested at Manchester airport and a connection via a Facebook account was made with Dawber.


Officers also uncovered the mobile phone from Blanchard's Volvo that contained the images of the baby, which were shown to the jury. It also showed Dawber in explicit poses.


When arrested in November 2009 Dawber would not confirm it was her holding the baby but she later admitted it.


Officers found child pornography on her computer that was the same as that discovered on Blanchard's and search words on her machine linked to child porn such as "Lolita". A PDF file containing stories about incest was also found. "




I just can't get my head around this story - but the thought of it just makes me sick to my stomach. The perpetrators can't possibly be part of the human race - I know what I would like to do to them, and it involves a chainsaw and a noose. Sadly under our useless justice system they will get just a few years in jail before being released to do it all over again.

[Lee.]

I'm actually speechless! I read something even worse yesterday involving a head teacher and a 3 year old... I just can't ****ing believe these people! Seriously CANNOT get me head around it at all!

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[Iceman]

That's horrific, people like these should be locked up and just let die a slow and painful death.

[Angus]

Vanessa George (the nursery assistant accused of sexual abuse of the children in her care) got only 7 years and her accomplice got only 5 years. They are also entitled under Human Rights legislation to have a new identity when they leave prison, funded of course by the taxpayer. This vile and disgusting pair will no doubt get similarly light sentences.

Our judicial system is an absolute joke.

[MTVN]

Reminds me of A Serbian Film.

[Jordan.]

Disgusting. Someone kill them please.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by angus58

Vanessa George (the nursery assistant accused of sexual abuse of the children in her care) got only 7 years and her accomplice got only 5 years. They are also entitled under Human Rights legislation to have a new identity when they leave prison, funded of course by the taxpayer. This vile and disgusting pair will no doubt get similarly light sentences.

Our judicial system is an absolute joke.

Yeah plus she'll be entitled to a brand new appearance?!! She can have her own personal trainer even if needed! What the actual **** is it all about?! It really makes my blood boil!
Let her out of prison with her own rotten identity amongst the general public!. Hopefully she would get what she deserves!

[Jack_]

[Billy]

I really dont understand the article, maybe I'm just beign thick but what happened?

[Tom4784]

Disgusting, I hope they both get the maximum sentance.

[Angus]

Originally posted by Billy
"I really dont understand the article, maybe I'm just beign thick but what happened?"
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The woman, sexually abused the baby whilst the guy took photos. If that is not clear enough here is the legal definition, bearing in mind this is what they were charged with:

The official definition is "sexual abuse involves forcing or enticing a child or young person to take part in sexual activities including prostitution, whether or not the child is aware of what is happening. The activities may involve physical contact, including penetrative (e.g. rape, buggery or oral sex) or non-penetrative acts. They may include non-contact activities, such as involving children in looking at, or in the production of, pornographic material or watching sexual activities, or encouraging children to behave in sexually inappropriate ways" (DfES, 2006)

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by kazanne

Get ready Angus for the assholes with their pathetic 'jokes'!!! Good God what are we living amongst? as i said with the story of the toddler taped to a wall.steralize these 'people'they are sick individuals and should never be allowed to breed,How can a sane person abuse a child ,any child ,there are plenty of prostitutes etc,out there to satiate these animals,chop their hands off,they will never touch another child!

Forced sterilisation? Chop their hands off? How humane of you!

[InOne]

Originally Posted by kazanne

Get ready Angus for the assholes with their pathetic 'jokes'!!! Good God what are we living amongst? as i said with the story of the toddler taped to a wall.steralize these 'people'they are sick individuals and should never be allowed to breed,How can a sane person abuse a child ,any child ,there are plenty of prostitutes etc,out there to satiate these animals,chop their hands off,they will never touch another child!

We don't live in Saudi, good god.

[Tom]

Thats only them on 'C' of their A-Z of sex. I hate to think what they'd if they complete it

[Angus]

Originally Posted by kazanne

Get ready Angus for the assholes with their pathetic 'jokes'!!! Good God what are we living amongst? as i said with the story of the toddler taped to a wall.steralize these 'people'they are sick individuals and should never be allowed to breed,How can a sane person abuse a child ,any child ,there are plenty of prostitutes etc,out there to satiate these animals,chop their hands off,they will never touch another child!

You will also get idiots who argue that we should treat this scum in a civilised manner. Why? What would be the point in keeping vermin like this in the land of the living to inflict pain on innocent children if they get half a chance. If I were the parent of an abused child I'd be waiting outside the prison gates on their release to inflict my own brand of justice since the judicial system in this country is pathetically inadequate.

[Tom4784]

Justice and violence are two different things, you can't use one to justify the other. 'Chopping people's hands off' or 'delivering your own justice' isn't justice it's thuggish behavior that you're attempting to justify.

Eye for an eye leaves us all blind in the end.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Forced sterilisation? Chop their hands off? How humane of you!

More humane than people who get their kicks from hurting and abusing kids,but obviously you don't think so

[InOne]

Originally Posted by kazanne

More humane than people who get their kicks from hurting and abusing kids,but obviously you don't think so

Not really. We become as bad as them, seen as you're taking pleasure in their pain.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by kazanne

More humane than people who get their kicks from hurting and abusing kids,but obviously you don't think so

Nope, forced sterilisation is one of the most inhumane things you could do to a person.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

i wish people would stop posting threads like this they are just depressing

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Nope, forced sterilisation is one of the most inhumane things you could do to a person.

So you would quite happily let this person have more children to abuse? Why do you think people who abuse and hurt kids deserve to have them?

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Justice and violence are two different things, you can't use one to justify the other. 'Chopping people's hands off' or 'delivering your own justice' isn't justice it's thuggish behavior that you're attempting to justify.

Eye for an eye leaves us all blind in the end.

If and when you become a parent one day, you might begin to understand. Till then keep your sanctimonious, mealymouthed judgments to yourself. And for the record I was not "attempting to justify" anything, I was stating what I would actually DO if that were my baby, and the judicial system let me down. Why would I feel the need to justify myself to you or any other liberal, laissez faire idiots who, unfortunately, seem to dominate the judiciary, handing out lenient sentences for such serious crimes as these.

"All it takes for the triumph of evil is for good men to stand by and do NOTHING". Ever heard of fighting fire with fire? Paedophiles cannot be cured, they are not able to be rehabilitated, so what is your answer, oh wise one?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by simonsays

i wish people would stop posting threads like this they are just depressing

This is a 'serious debates' thread,perhaps you should go in the chat and games one as real life can be depressing unfortunately,people who don't want to hear these things,are just shutting reality out.