[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by Stacey.x

All I know of Matt is that he's been speaking bad about Wagner, and that he's been in trouble in his past or something. I don't actually know what he's like. :/

She's got attitude and personality, if you watch her video diaries and things, she's actually a really sweet girl and doesn't seem the same as when she's on stage.

she's got attitude and personality, but sadly no talent.

[Stacey.]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

she's got attitude and personality, but sadly no talent.

She does have talent though. She can sing, rap and dance well.

You need to listen to "Stay", "Imagine" and "Turn My Swag On" again clearly if you don't think she's talented.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

You are judging her on a 3 minute performance, us Cher fans know what she is like behind the scenes and she is not how you describe her at all.

Prove that anyone else on this thread does not watch as much as you seem to do - you assume that, but you certainly have no idea how much others are viewing back scenes or may be following Cher (or any of the other contestants).

Wild guesses really don't cut it in an effort to back your opinion up - and that is all it is, your opinion. Just as others are putting up their opinions.

[Jordan.]

If she didnt have talent she wouldn't have the support of all the judges and wouldn't have made it this far, its pretty much a silly thing to say.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Stacey.x

She does have talent though. She can sing, rap and dance well.

You need to listen to "Stay", "Imagine" and "Turn My Swag On" again clearly if you don't think she's talented.

How many songs have been sung throughout the show so far, and you are saying she's only been good at three of them?

That really proves that she's not 'all that' then really, if after so many weeks of so many songs, she's only cut the mustard on 3 paltry songs.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Prove that anyone else on this thread does not watch as much as you seem to do - you assume that, but you certainly have no idea how much others are viewing back scenes or may be following Cher (or any of the other contestants).

Wild guesses really don't cut it in an effort to back your opinion up - and that is all it is, your opinion. Just as others are putting up their opinions.

I cant prove it but isnt it fairly obvious people wouldn't go out of their way to watch videos or someone they weren't supporting. :

Maybe some people need to.

[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by Stacey.x

She does have talent though. She can sing, rap and dance well.

You need to listen to "Stay", "Imagine" and "Turn My Swag On" again clearly if you don't think she's talented.

She's got some talent, better than the average girl on the street I accept.. but this isn't a school disco, this is a national singing competition.

I don't think her talent's lie in her singing.

[Stacey.]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

How many songs have been sung throughout the show so far, and you are saying she's only been good at three of them?

That really proves that she's not 'all that' then really, if after so many weeks of so many songs, she's only cut the mustard on 3 paltry songs.

No, I've loved them all. But she people who aren't great fans of her I think would mostly like those songs as she shows in two that she does have a good voice and can actually sing, and the other one most people liked, which was her audition.

I was just choosing the ones that I thought stood out the most, specially for non-Cher fans to hear again, to prove she does have talent.

[Stacey.]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

She's got some talent, better than the average girl on the street I accept.. but this isn't a school disco, this is a national singing competition.

I don't think her talent's lie in her singing.

She's a performer too though, she's got it all really. Rebecca and Matt are the better singers, I just don't get excited for their performances, and I'm not too bothered what they're gonna do next week etc. It's not all about who's the best singer.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

oh yes locke and other cher fans were saying katie was more popular than aiden just because she beat him 1 week.

Well she is still there and he isnt so its kind of true....

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

ermm he beat her 5 weeks she beat him 1 week,also katie keeps getting stuck on last just to give her a chance.

Well its a competition and she beat him fair and square, no point going on about it, you cant change it.

[Legend killer]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

well.. she's obviously been eating for Cher

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

I cant prove it but isnt it fairly obvious people wouldn't go out of their way to watch videos or someone they weren't supporting. :

Maybe some people need to.

Some people have minds of their own, to make judgements on what is available for judgment to be made - you have no idea what people are viewing, where, when or how often, so your notion that you have some better basis upon which to offer your judgment, over that of others, is nothing but fallacy I'm afraid.

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

She's got some talent, better than the average girl on the street I accept.. but this isn't a school disco, this is a national singing competition.

I don't think her talent's lie in her singing.

Wonderfully succinct and excellent way of putting the point across.

Originally Posted by Jordan.

Well she is still there and he isnt so its kind of true....

It's not 'kind of true'. All is means that in that one particular week, Aiden fell in popularity.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

Well its a competition and she beat him fair and square, no point going on about it, you cant change it.

she didnt though as she was on later than him when he went and simon keeps saving her everytime she hits the bottom two,even though he prefered aiden.

[Stacey.]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

PMSL. You bring Mary into the thread as a subject to add to the discussion, but then when you try to spin it onto someone else, who points out it was you yourself who raised the issue of Mary and her weight, you then say, "I don't care".

Of course I'm not a fan, I don't feel she is talented at all, she has an ugly personality as far as we are being shown, the press have very little good to say about her, and the very people that she is sharing a house with, can't stand her either.

The judges are there to make money via voters remember...they have a vested financial interest in keeping some contestants in.

Do I start threads every Saturday to say how vile Cher is? No i don't so your Wagner comment and related words are completely irrelevant to me.

You used the example of "how much less it would cost in make-up if Cher wasn't there" so I said it would cost less in food if Mary wasn't there, which is true. It doesn't mean that I suddenly care about her because I bought her name into it.

That's the press though, you can't know for sure a word of what they say is true. Maybe they're just not used to living with people like her, and because they're all under pressure with their practising each week etc. they have a fallout because of silly things.

The judges like Cher though, I know she's good for the show because she makes the headlines and that, but they said from day1 that she's talented and could be a pop star.

I didn't mention starting threads about her, just making comments in general about her everywhere. It seems you care about her more than any of the other contestants.

[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by Stacey.x

She's a performer too though, she's got it all really. Rebecca and Matt are the better singers, I just don't get excited for their performances, and I'm not too bothered what they're gonna do next week etc. It's not all about who's the best singer.

She is a good performer, that's true. It takes courage to go out there and rap like she does, knowing that its not to everyone's tastes.

[Stacey.]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

She is a good performer, that's true. It takes courage to go out there and rap like she does, knowing that its not to everyone's tastes.

Yep, that's what I love about her. She's had probably the hardest time with everything the press say about her out of all of them and she's never let it affect her performances or her confidence.

[Legend killer]

Guys i just got the bottom 3 percentage from a source:
Katie 6%
Cher 10%
Rebecca 16.5%

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

she didnt though as she was on later than him when he went and simon keeps saving her everytime she hits the bottom two,even though he prefered aiden.

If he preferred Aiden he would have saved him. At the end of the day it doesn't really matter to him who wins, he still gets the money he wants.

[fruit_cake]

stay up legend u know u wanna

[Tom4784]

She'll be safe, they were all on full 'Save Cher' mode tonight. It's Mary, Wagner & Katie that ought to be worrying.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by happyland

Geez! I'm just watching her first performance!

Dreadful!!

It was dreadful,I agree, it was messy and not even pleasing in any way to listen to either.

[bbfan1991]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

She'll be safe, they were all on full 'Save Cher' mode tonight. It's Mary, Wagner & Katie that ought to be worrying.

Last week would have been a shock to some Cher fans who thought she was safe so she might benefit from the rebound vote, the voting will be much closer this week and we might see one of the so called top 3 in there it's that unpredictable.. look at what happened with JLS and Olly for instance.

PS I think Wagner is safe.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

She'll be safe, they were all on full 'Save Cher' mode tonight. It's Mary, Wagner & Katie that ought to be worrying.

I tend to agree. All the judges were giving it big licks on the "you must pick up the phone to vote".... nothing like touting for that extra wee bit of money coming into the show to line their pockes with.

[nanaimo]

Katie will go first and no matter who would be up against Cher, her cowell posse will keep her (if she is in the bottom 3) the only one that could cause trouble for her with judge votes would be one direction.