[arista]

EU wants end to Czech practice of making 'gay' asylum seekers watch porn to check if they are aroused

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz17vMDBW00


Why do they need to find out if they (Czech Asylum Seekers) are Gay?
are they going to sell them?


Its good we ain't part of this Stinking Mess of Europe.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by arista

EU wants end to Czech practice of making 'gay' asylum seekers watch porn to check if they are aroused
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz17vMDBW00
Why do they need to find out if they (Czech Asylum Seekers) are Gay?
are they going to sell them?
Its good we ain't part of this Stinking Mess of Europe.

I can't decide what is worse - a law saying a European country must take as a 'refugee' anyone who is gay and alleges persecution,
or,
the creepiest 'clockwork orange' disturbing nazi medical exam privacy-invasion humiliation of this 'test'.

Here is the next problem:
This test doesn't work the way people think. Years ago a very tiny little test like this was done by some University in the USA. Gay rights propaganda people claimed:
- those who were most against homosexuality were the most aroused. This spread all over the internet with the angle being that you could use it to shame anyone who disagreed with homosexuality.
After all - the test shows they were probably gay etc etc.
Anyways,
Shortly thereafter (but rarely mentioned) some physiologists corrected the 'interpretation' by explaining it is a well-known response during moments of fear and fright to have a fast surge of blood to the penis.
This is not 'getting aroused' or anything to do with it.
It is just a 'hydraulics physics' sort of thing where, when in a 'fight of flight' the blood pressure goes 'outward' to limbs and yep.. the penis gets a sudden pump.
(in fact, most men would not notice this at the moment of fright or 'panic' but its well known).

So, in fact, it would be expected that someone who is quite offended (which would be almost all men who are not desensitized) to register a 'inflation'.

Anyways.. what a disturbing story. What is worse is that (once again) many legitimate immigrants, spouse immigrants and genuine hard-working students immigrating ARE THE WORST AFFECTED BY THIS PATHETIC POLITICALLY CORRECT LEFT-WING ANTI-EUROPEAN BULL****.

Good job liberal left-wingers - you really ARE doing a great job destroying European culture. Well done! You are getting to your goals. Hurting many innocent people along the way. Which is what you love.

[arista]

"It is just a 'hydraulics physics' "



Some may not see it that way,
but I get your meaning.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by arista

"It is just a 'hydraulics physics' "



Some may not see it that way,
but I get your meaning.

I suppose 'blood pressure' would be a way to say that. It is well known and is why someone shocked and disgusted seeing homosexuality would experience a sudden 'jolt' of inflation.

Anyways, I find the entire thing disturbing on almost every level. It amazes me how Orwellian we really did get after all. Its almost more amazing to me how people (sheeple?) just accept it and obey to it.

Bin Laden LAUGHS. Rightfully. He won.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

I suppose 'blood pressure' would be a way to say that. It is well known and is why someone shocked and disgusted seeing homosexuality would experience a sudden 'jolt' of inflation.

Anyways, I find the entire thing disturbing on almost every level. It amazes me how Orwellian we really did get after all. Its almost more amazing to me how people (sheeple?) just accept it and obey to it.

Bin Laden LAUGHS. Rightfully. He won.

I think you have got the wrong end of the stick El P. Lets see if I can clarify it for you.

Men from some fairly strict muslim countries claim asylum in the Czech Republic, their claim being based on the fact they are homosexual and will incarcerated or possiby executed because of their sexual preference.

Czech authorities think they may not be so they show them straight sex pornos some decent swedish stuff. If the men react to the females or sex scenes they throw out the application.

Admitted the testing is flawed in a couple of ways, the man being tested could get turned on by the male actors in the flick, or could be disgusted by the acts shown and react as you described.

The Czechs did say it had only been used in about 10 cases.

As for the law stating they must accept men who are gay, thats not exactly the law, the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights states amongst its many different articles that a person should not be persecuted because of their sexuality. This makes persecution of homosexuals a valid reason to apply for asylum in any country honouring the UNCHR.

[fruit_cake]

so gay men get turned on by seeing gay things, but straight men get turned on by the 'shock' of seeing gay images??

Something doesn't sound right to me amongst that

[Angus]

Originally Posted by christmas_cake

so gay men get turned on by seeing gay things, but straight men get turned on by the 'shock' of seeing gay images??

Something doesn't sound right to me amongst that

Aren't they back to where they started - ie if all men's nether regions react to ANY porn (for whatever reason), how do they know who's gay and who's not?

[Shaun]

I don't understand where bisexual men fall into all of this. The fact they're attracted to men I assume will fall under Muslim persecution - but if they're attracted to females too, they're going to 'fail' this 'test'

[fruit_cake]

If you assume most men are gay, then you won't be surprised when they are - That's what a friend of mine used to say!

[MTVN]

This "test" is flawed in so many ways..

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Nutcracker

I don't understand where bisexual men fall into all of this. The fact they're attracted to men I assume will fall under Muslim persecution - but if they're attracted to females too, they're going to 'fail' this 'test'

Maybe The Czech Republic havent had any asylum seekers who are bisexual. Maybe they show them both straight and gay porn and if they fail to get excited at both their asylum papers get turned down

If I was a homosexual or bisexual Muslim attempting to seek asylum in Europe, The Czech Republic wouldnt exactly be top of my list as the country of choice, even before hearing about this "test".

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by christmas_cake

so gay men get turned on by seeing gay things, but straight men get turned on by the 'shock' of seeing gay images??

Something doesn't sound right to me amongst that

Right, it seems something is wrong because there IS something wrong with your 'conclusion'.

Let me explain this again:
When people are surprised, frightened, 'shocked' at something the body has (at least) a miniature panic response. This is sometimes called 'fight or flight' response.
ONE of the instant physiological responses is for blood to get pushed (very suddenly) into the limbs.
Why is that?
Well suppose there was some actual physical threat then the arms have punching power and the legs have running power!
OK.
Now you may not know this but the penis is really a sort of 'balloon'. It is not a 'bone'. It is a balloon that fills with blood.
OK.
During this mini 'panic response' the surprised, frightened male has this sudden 'blood rush' to extremities,
and,
like it or not. Having NOTHING to do with sexual arousal, but purely as a consequence of 'hydraulics' or 'automatic blood pressure' the penis will get a squeeze of blood pushed into it.
It is NOT 'getting an erection'. It is a 'side-effect' of blood rushing to limbs, sphincter tightening and 'panic' heart rate and blood dispersal.

In fact, I worked in a prison where this 'penis ring' device has been used on sex offenders,
and,
they recognized this long ago and the analysts were learning to take this into consideration and interpret results by taking this into consideration.

Keep in mind - this sudden blood spurt is NOT a whole lot but these stupid devices measure (and this is the older one I know of) even less than 1%.
I heard the 'panic response' can account for something like a 12% increase which is relatively unnoticeable.

and yes I find this **** creepy and just more examples of creepy Orwellian nonsense.

And sorry but I don't think claiming homosexual persecution should get anyone anywhere,
and,
ESPECIALLY considering how many very hard working legal immigrants, spouses and legitimate students are fleeced, put through hell, families separated, spouses kept apart for sometimes YEARS by immigration who are not Muslim terrorists or African criminals.

Just like I mentioned about the Gamu case - these people HURT REAL IMMIGRANTS who are punished for taking the legal legitimate process.

but anyone can show up, claim to have homosexual sex and get housing, money and all kinds of good things.
Oh and then bomb a shopping center as part of their 'Taquiya' bull****.

But make sure that Polish mechanic has to ****ing wait 2 years to see his wife again because he made the mistake of being honest, paying fees and waiting in the queue for his turn.

(btw.. i see what the Czechs are trying to do here (good for them in principle) but its creepy as hell).

[fruit_cake]

oh I see, it makes more sense now. Supposed straight men don't get erections but do get a 'blood spurt' to the penis upon viewing gay men together?

then..If the device is sensitive to as little as 1% difference it would show a positive reaction, even if the subject were not 'turned on' so to speak.

It certainly sounds a very strange way of deciding who gets entry into a country as a asylum seeker. I wonder what tests they would do on a supposedly homosexual woman? You can't stick a ring around it can you.. I suspect if you could you'd be able to see a similar results distribution.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by christmas_cake

oh I see, it makes more sense now. Supposed straight men don't get erections but do get a 'blood spurt' to the penis upon viewing gay men together?

It's really any male who sees something suddenly frightening, repulsive, surprising.
Keep in mind that the very idea of two men kissing or more is very often so disgusting to so many people that they even feel the need to vomit.

then..If the device is sensitive to as little as 1% difference it would show a positive reaction, even if the subject were not 'turned on' so to speak.

I've been told this non-sexual physiological reaction can spike something like 12%. Im not sure what the average is though.

I wonder what tests they would do on a supposedly homosexual woman? You can't stick a ring around it can you.. I suspect if you could you'd be able to see a similar results distribution.[/QUOTE]

I don't know about this. I know they do have a device to measure some kind of sexual response in women.
It is (you could imagine) a sort of thin straw-sized tube with a wire coming out.
As far as I can gather it tests heat (blood flow) but Im not sure if they would have the same 'panic reaction' flush as men?

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by christmas_cake

It certainly sounds a very strange way of deciding who gets entry into a country as a asylum seeker. I wonder what tests they would do on a supposedly homosexual woman? You can't stick a ring around it can you.. I suspect if you could you'd be able to see a similar results distribution.

As EP states women's sexual responses can also be assessed electronically, measuring blood flow in various areas - internally and externally in the vagina and on the clitorus.

Though, I dont really think the occasion occurs where they get Lesbian Muslim women seeking asylum. After all the countries where male homosexual muslims are persecuted dont really afford women basic rights let alone the right to decide on an individual sexual preference.

[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by Shasown

As EP states women's sexual responses can also be assessed electronically, measuring blood flow in various areas - internally and externally in the vagina and on the clitorus.

Though, I dont really think the occasion occurs where they get Lesbian Muslim women seeking asylum. After all the countries where male homosexual muslims are persecuted dont really afford women basic rights let alone the right to decide on an individual sexual preference.

as far as I'm aware, you don't 'decide' on your sexual preference based on rights.. you're born with it Shasown

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by christmas_cake

as far as I'm aware, you don't 'decide' on your sexual preference based on rights.. you're born with it Shasown

Even in more liberal countries there are some who will argue that point with you.

In a lot of countries you are free to follow whatever lifestyles suit you. If you are gay you can decide to live an openly gay life, or you can hide the fact you are and remain in the closet, that is your decision. In other countries you dont have that little luxury. In one or two(in fact a few more than that) they execute people for homosexuality.

Thats why some people seek asylum based on their sexual preference.

[letmein]

These people are pervs!

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

I can't decide what is worse - a law saying a European country must take as a 'refugee' anyone who is gay and alleges persecution,
or,
the creepiest 'clockwork orange' disturbing nazi medical exam privacy-invasion humiliation of this 'test'.


Here is the next problem:
This test doesn't work the way people think. Years ago a very tiny little test like this was done by some University in the USA. Gay rights propaganda people claimed:
- those who were most against homosexuality were the most aroused. This spread all over the internet with the angle being that you could use it to shame anyone who disagreed with homosexuality.

I think what you mean is homophobic people. Drop the euphemisms.

Originally Posted by ElProximo

After all - the test shows they were probably gay etc etc.
Anyways,
Shortly thereafter (but rarely mentioned) some physiologists corrected the 'interpretation' by explaining it is a well-known response during moments of fear and fright to have a fast surge of blood to the penis.
This is not 'getting aroused' or anything to do with it.

[So, in fact, it would be expected that someone who is quite offended (which would be almost all men who are not desensitized) to register a 'inflation'.

Who were these 'physiologists'? I assume you're referring to the experiment at the University of Georgia in the 1990's? Actually, the researchers fully acknowledged in their report the connection between anxiety and erection of the penis. I doubt they needed a 'physiologist' to 'explain' this to them.

Take a look for yourself.
http://www.philosophy-religion.org/h...homophobia.htm
https://www.psychologytoday.com/file...enry_et_al.pdf

[30stone]

Lol..

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Originally Posted by Mistletoe-Kiss

Lol..

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

I doubt they needed a 'physiologist' to 'explain' this to them.

Yes, the researchers were, in part, 'physiologists'.

Rarely acknowledged in the media or those using it as 'gay rights propaganda' was the anxiety response.

Nice self-failure!

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Yes, the researchers were, in part, 'physiologists'.

Rarely acknowledged in the media or those using it as 'gay rights propaganda' was the anxiety response.

Nice self-failure!

Aren't lies and backpedalling convenient for when your bullshit dilettante 'arguments' have been thoroughly demolished with reason and evidence? Congradulations, you are the born-again Christian par excellence.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

Aren't lies and backpedalling convenient for when your bullshit dilettante 'arguments' have been thoroughly demolished with reason and evidence? Congradulations, you are the born-again Christian par excellence.

post edited - insults removed

btw, since you like adding links (which confirm what I told you) here is the definition of a physiology from wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_physiology

That's called science and its why I was right and you were self-pwned.

[letmein]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

It's really any male who sees something suddenly frightening, repulsive, surprising.
Keep in mind that the very idea of two men kissing or more is very often so disgusting to so many people that they even feel the need to vomit.

What??!

Give us a call when you get back to Earth.