[arista]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/20...ent?intcmp=122


Young jobseekers told to work without pay or lose unemployment benefits

People taking up work experience places – providing up to 30 hours a week of unpaid labour – face losing benefits if they quit

Yes that is Fair.
About Time.


Cait Reilly, who is currently completing three weeks at Poundland, working five hours a day.

[Kate!]

lFirst reaction is I love it.

However, the flip side is, will it take away yet more jobs for people desperate to get back into work (like me) and give employers free labour?

Maybe the employer should contribute towards the benefits, that would reducr the strain on the welfare system surely?

[Vicky.]

Odd how they can create a load of unpaid jobs, while there are next to no real jobs available

People wouldnt be ON the dole in the first place if these companies werent trying to get free labour

[Vicky.]

Britain's young unemployed are being sent to work for supermarkets and budget stores for up to two months for no pay and no guarantee of a job, the Guardian can reveal.

This worrys me a lot. Supermarkets and that will just stop taking actual staff on, if they know they can get people to work for nothing.

[Bollo]

I have always thought that if you are on jobseekers for more than say 3 months, you should be made to do some kind of labour to earn your keep, otherwise for some people there is just no incentive for them to get off their backsides and earn a living

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

This worrys me a lot. Supermarkets and that will just stop taking actual staff on, if they know they can get people to work for nothing.

Exactly Vicky, it would be far better to have people do community service of some description.

[King Gizzard]

As Vicky said, it's very stupid. Short term solution but then most companies will exploit it

[Vicky.]

This idea will end up with MORE people unemployed, as businesses find reason to lay their current staff off just so they can get free labour from jobseekers. mark my words.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by arista

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/20...ent?intcmp=122


Young jobseekers told to work without pay or lose unemployment benefits

People taking up work experience places – providing up to 30 hours a week of unpaid labour – face losing benefits if they quit

Yes that is Fair.
About Time.


Cait Reilly, who is currently completing three weeks at Poundland, working five hours a day.

Totally agree.

sick of hearing about a lot of people on the dole moaning that they cant get a job because they have no experience: this will get them the exprience that many moan about not having .....

[arista]

Originally Posted by *Kate*

lFirst reaction is I love it.

However, the flip side is, will it take away yet more jobs for people desperate to get back into work (like me) and give employers free labour?

Maybe the employer should contribute towards the benefits, that would reducr the strain on the welfare system surely?

They would say they are
in there Tax Bills.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Totally agree.

sick of hearing about a lot of people on the dole moaning that they cant get a job because they have no experience: this will get them the exprience that many moan about not having .....

Bang On Right.

[Omah]

It's slave labour for money-grabbing industrialists in order to bring down the jobless figures so that the faceless bureaucrats can award themselves brownie points, promotions and bonuses, while the incompetent Tory government can claim that they are serving the GBP by cost-saving on the front line .....

The rich get richer while the poor get poorer ..... as usual under a Tory administration .....

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Omah

It's slave labour for money-grabbing industrialists in order to bring down the jobless figures so that the faceless bureaucrats can award themselves brownie points, promotions and bonuses, while the incompetent Tory government can claim that they are serving the GBP by cost-saving on the front line .....

The rich get richer while the poor get poorer ..... as usual under a Tory administration .....

Have to agree

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Omah

It's slave labour for money-grabbing industrialists in order to bring down the jobless figures so that the faceless bureaucrats can award themselves brownie points, promotions and bonuses, while the incompetent Tory government can claim that they are serving the GBP by cost-saving on the front line .....

The rich get richer while the poor get poorer ..... as usual under a Tory administration .....

Work programs for people on Jobseekers were actually introduced by the last Labour Government, the tories are simply expanding the program.

But you are absolutely right about employers reducing their workforce and asking for work placements while not actually employing someone to fill needed posts.

Tescos, Asda and a few other large retail businesses were all commented on carrying out this policy in independent reviews of the scheme.

[letmein]

I love how TIBB has ardent Fascists on here. arista, I'm curious, what's your job? In fact, not just arista, anyone who is for this, tell us your employment. This will explain a lot.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Bollo

I have always thought that if you are on jobseekers for more than say 3 months, you should be made to do some kind of labour to earn your keep, otherwise for some people there is just no incentive for them to get off their backsides and earn a living

There is, or was.

I was signing on when I was 18 and after three months I had 3 placement options to choose from.

I choose one and it lead to 2yrs full time employment. For the first three months I was paid minimum wage then I was taken on full time.

[Vicky.]

I just dont agree with giving jobs that could actually make someone employed instead of unemployed, to unemployed people...them doing said jobs for nothing(while the state still funds them), when they could be OFF the dole and doing that job.

Of course there are SOME layabouts who do not ever want to work, and would be happy staying on the dole for the rest of their lives...but the majority of jobseekers DO want to work. And I dont think this is fair at all on those who legitimately want to get back into work.

Along with this, giving large companies free labour is going to end very badly. All it will do it alter a few numbers on the governments ticklist...and they can claim that X amount of people are employed...when its not really the case. And overall, as I said, it will lead to companies finding reasons to get rid of their legit staff so that they can have people working for nothing. Thus increasing the amount of unemployed people in the long run. I mean, what company would not prefer a free worker to someone they have to pay minumum wage to? Its all about profits.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I just dont agree with giving jobs that could actually make someone employed instead of unemployed, to unemployed people...them doing said jobs for nothing(while the state still funds them), when they could be OFF the dole and doing that job.

Of course there are SOME layabouts who do not ever want to work, and would be happy staying on the dole for the rest of their lives...but the majority of jobseekers DO want to work. And I dont think this is fair at all on those who legitimately want to get back into work.

Along with this, giving large companies free labour is going to end very badly. All it will do it alter a few numbers on the governments ticklist...and they can claim that X amount of people are employed...when its not really the case. And overall, as I said, it will lead to companies finding reasons to get rid of their legit staff so that they can have people working for nothing. Thus increasing the amount of unemployed people in the long run. I mean, what company would not prefer a free worker to someone they have to pay minumum wage to? Its all about profits.

I understand what some are saying on here, but when I first started, I was on what was called a YOP - Youth Opportunity Programme instead of being on the dole. I got paid a massive Ł25 a week for a 35 hour week, Mon-Fri. That gave me basic office / admin / accounts experience - I also had a full day Saturday job with another Company which I only got because of I had some office experience (ie: in my YOP).

In less than a month of my Sat job - I was offered the chance of a temp job with that company, which then lead to perm position. I was with that company for 12 years and rose to a fairly senior level.

I doubt if I'd hung about on the dole, and not opted for the YOP, that any of that would have happened. I only got the Sat job, because I'd gained admin/accounting experience because of my paltry YOP job - and that then lead to greater things.

Whilst all this was going on, I had friends who didn't do what I did -but sat stoned most of the day and night, signed on every 2 weeks - who ended up reaching their mid 30's, having done not much more than grab odd jobs here there and everywhere - with nothing to call their own. Then you'd hear them moan about what little they had compared to some of the rest of us.

[Glenn.]

I completely agree with you Vicky.

It worked out for me, but that was 5yrs ago, and the recession was pretty much non existent or beginning to rear its ugly head. Companies were employing staff and keeping them employed.

The layabouts that hang about outside our local JobCentre clearly don't want to work.

It's a shame and it certainly isn't fair on the people who are desperately trying to find work.

[Scarlett.]

Make them work in charity shops, I worked in one when unemployed

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I just dont agree with giving jobs that could actually make someone employed instead of unemployed, to unemployed people...them doing said jobs for nothing(while the state still funds them), when they could be OFF the dole and doing that job.

Of course there are SOME layabouts who do not ever want to work, and would be happy staying on the dole for the rest of their lives...but the majority of jobseekers DO want to work. And I dont think this is fair at all on those who legitimately want to get back into work.

Along with this, giving large companies free labour is going to end very badly. All it will do it alter a few numbers on the governments ticklist...and they can claim that X amount of people are employed...when its not really the case. And overall, as I said, it will lead to companies finding reasons to get rid of their legit staff so that they can have people working for nothing. Thus increasing the amount of unemployed people in the long run. I mean, what company would not prefer a free worker to someone they have to pay minumum wage to? Its all about profits.

Yeah, it's all about numbers and profits - thousands of older people are being "shed", "offloaded" or "let go" from local government - most will be inelegible to "sign on" because they have (dwindling) savings and other assets that they've worked all their life for - younger people will be offered "opportunities" to "train" in the now vacant positions, i.e. 'do just what you're told, don't ask questions and you "might" be kept on after 6 months' (when, of course, they'll be replaced with another "freebie") - yet another Tory rerun of Thatcherite policies .....

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Omah

Yeah, it's all about numbers and profits - thousands of older people are being "shed", "offloaded" or "let go" from local government - most will be inelegible to "sign on" because they have (dwindling) savings and other assets that they've worked all their life for - younger people will be offered "opportunities" to "train" in the now vacant positions, i.e. 'do just what you're told, don't ask questions and you "might" be kept on after 6 months' (when, of course, they'll be replaced with another "freebie") - yet another Tory rerun of Thatcherite policies .....

Yeah, not entirely unexpected though

I cant see tories getting in again at the next election tbh. Labour were bad, but the lesser of 2 evils it seems (if you are working class that is)

[arista]

Originally Posted by letmein

I love how TIBB has ardent Fascists on here. arista, I'm curious, what's your job? In fact, not just arista, anyone who is for this, tell us your employment. This will explain a lot.

No Fascists here.

[Beastie]

Nothing wrong working without any pay for like say.. a month or so. But after that if the employer knows how to do the jobs correctly and that then they should be paid at least minimum wage. It has to go somewhere.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Beastie

Nothing wrong working without any pay for like say.. a month or so. But after that if the employer knows how to do the jobs correctly and that then they should be paid at least minimum wage. It has to go somewhere.

It wont work like this though.

They will just keep finding excuses of why they dont want to give the free worker a job at the end of the trial. Just to keep getting free labour. also laying off staff that they already have and are paying, in order to get more free workers.

Hopefully it is moderated...so they have to give real reasons for not taking the jobseeker on after the trial, and it is investigated if they turn down high numbers of the people who did trials. But I doubt it will be. As the government simply dont care about people who are out of work, they only care about their numbers.