[Niamh.]

Since the voting figures revealed that Janet topped the votes each week and was pretty much on course to win, it made it even more clear to me that the mentors really can't push the act that has the best chance of winning. I mean surely Kelly knew that Janet was her best chance of taking it? So she was either told to deliberately **** up Janets chances or it was more important to her that Janet lost then one of her acts triumphing?

What does everyone think? I think, I seriously need to stop watching this show

[Jordan.]

I think Janet messed it up for herself tbh & the bad press she was getting didn't help

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

I think Janet messed it up for herself tbh & the bad press she was getting didn't help

Well, she did and she didn't, I think a combination of ****ty song choices (which a mentor is supposed to help with) and very negative comments from the judges and apparently bad relations with Kelly, chipped away at her. She was a nervous wreck the last few shows (imo of course )

[Marsh.]

But they weren't aware of the voting results until last night, were they?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

But they weren't aware of the voting results until last night, were they?

No, I don't think so. But it was quite obvious that Janet was her best shot, since she never hit the bottom 2 till very late in.

[Marsh.]

I think it was very clear in the show though that Kelly saw Misha B as the star and her best chance of winning. Amelia was awful in week 1 and Sophie was crap.
Especially towards the beginning Misha was far and away the best but public perception about something we don't have the facts on changed it for her.

It's wrong of her to neglect other acts like Janet though but when looking at her category Misha is the standout choice on first impressions.

[Niamh.]

I agree that Misha was very talented,and I'm sure kelly spotted that but she was in the Bottom 2 3 times, each time she was saved she had the lowest votes, so even if she was the most talented of the girls, it was fairly obvious, that she was never going to win it, where as Janet had a great chance of doing so but Kelly seemed to have totally neglected her best chance.

[stewart64]

I think the mentor thing may have originally been to give the show a distinction from Pop Idol and try and avoid copyright issues. I preferred the Pop Idol foremat and agree with the OP, what is the point.

[Tom]

I'd like it if they could but they can't drop the celebrity mentoring otherwise they're left with Pop Idol with no age limit and groups, plus a huge legal bill

I really liked the current panel until the live shows and I think if they didn't have their own categories I would have continued to like it. Also, if the contestants could choose their own image and songs it would be betterbecause the live shows ultimately disappoint. BUT, and its a huge one, giving the acts the control means the producers lose it and they can't stitch up certain acts to make others progress further. Just look at Janet's voting pattern to see that! had it not been for the sudden turnaround in week 6 and picking on everything, she quite clearly would have won

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by stewart64

I think the mentor thing may have originally been to give the show a distinction from Pop Idol and try and avoid copyright issues. I preferred the Pop Idol foremat and agree with the OP, what is the point.

Yeah, I've said this in another thread as well, but I believe that they either need to have mentors and a set of completely impartial judges or just revert back to having no mentors, like Pop Idol. Gary especially, was disgraceful this year with his comments that were so biased and tactical at times.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Tom

I'd like it if they could but they can't drop the celebrity mentoring otherwise they're left with Pop Idol with no age limit and groups, plus a huge legal bill

I really liked the current panel until the live shows and I think if they didn't have their own categories I would have continued to like it. Also, if the contestants could choose their own image and songs it would be betterbecause the live shows ultimately disappoint. BUT, and its a huge one, giving the acts the control means the producers lose it and they can't stitch up certain acts to make others progress further. Just look at Janet's voting pattern to see that! had it not been for the sudden turnaround in week 6 and picking on everything, she quite clearly would have won

I agree 100% Tom. What I can't understand though is, why not let them do their own thing and leave who wins in our hands? What's so wrong with that? It's frustrating watching them bring down the people who they don't want winning, and pushing their choice on us.

[muchadoaboutnothing]

Personally I believe that having X-factor over two nights spoils it. As the public are paying to vote there should be no bottom two where the judges decide - and if that had been the case I'm pretty sure there would have been a different outcome.

[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by muchadoaboutnothing

Personally I believe that having X-factor over two nights spoils it. As the public are paying to vote there should be no bottom two where the judges decide - and if that had been the case I'm pretty sure there would have been a different outcome.

I agree, I can't be bothered to watch it two nights in a row. I'm not against mentors completely but I do agree there doesn't seem much point in them other than to stir up the public.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by muchadoaboutnothing

Personally I believe that having X-factor over two nights spoils it. As the public are paying to vote there should be no bottom two where the judges decide - and if that had been the case I'm pretty sure there would have been a different outcome.

I agree with this, again, it's just another example of them manipulating both us and the results, this is why I never vote in X Factor because it's not really our choice, no matter who has the lowest votes, the producers will pick who goes and who stays.

[fruit_cake]

I thought if there were any purpose in mentors it should be to make sure that what happend to Janet, doesn't happen! They should act like a safety net for when the public obviously get it wrong. How wrong I was

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by christmas_cake

I thought if there were any purpose in mentors it should be to make sure that what happend to Janet, doesn't happen! They should act like a safety net for when the public obviously get it wrong. How wrong I was

Yeah, or another idea would be, keep the Bottom 2 and have the sing off but reopen the lines for the 2 after they've done it and let the public vote for who they want to save between them.

[MTVN]

I suppose the idea of having mentors is just to make it more interesting really, and provide a bit of competition between the judges as well, it might not be the fairest way of doing it but I think it's the most entertaining

[Kate!]

The show could do with a complete revamp, it's gone quite stale really. I think it would benefit from a year off, let's have something like the competition for a group, on the lines of the Girls Aloud selection process as a one off, then bring it back, that would give them loads of time to come up with fresh ideas.

[Jords]

I personally think people need to stop taking the show so seriously and enjoy it more, and if you think there is any trace of 'sabotage' just vote for your favourite. Mentors make TXF unique from just a normal singing contest, it adds more competition and allows them to form more opinions in which we get an insight. I do however think that if youre in the B2 for the third time you should automatically get eliminated.

Also I was a big fan of Janet the first 5-6 weeks but then I just got bored with her as it was more of the same old and she forget her words on more than 1 occasion. The aim of the live shows is to find the best act at the END of the show, eliminating the weaker acts and finding those who are constantly improving or delivering. Janet became the weakest when it came to the final 5 as well as not showing any improvement. Yes she was a favourite at the start, but opinions change - be that of worse of her or of better of others (more of the case - Little Mix, Marcus and Amelia).

Misha B should have left before Janet even though Misha is more talented for the simple fact that it was Janet's first and Misha's third time in the B2.

[MusicXian]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

But they weren't aware of the voting results until last night, were they?

Thenjudges are the biggest weapon for the production of the show. We are told that they do not know the voting results, but I think the producers tell them what to do with their acts to ensure them either being pushed for the win or being made to go out. If by now you still do not believe this then more fool you. In 6 weeks of judges voting to save an act, in 5 of them they kept the act who was bottom of the public vote. Coincedence? Me thinks not.

[Jords]

Oh and just to add it definitely wasnt any sabotage imo, her position in the votings went -

1st - 1st - 1st - 1st - 2nd - 3rd - 4th

Which screams loss of interest as it wasnt a gradual decrease, if it was sabotage itd be a much dramatagic change 1st - 1st - 1st - 1st - 4th/5th or less

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Elf Ears

Oh and just to add it definitely wasnt any sabotage imo, her position in the votings went -

1st - 1st - 1st - 1st - 2nd - 3rd - 4th

Which screams loss of interest as it wasnt a gradual decrease, if it was sabotage itd be a much dramatagic change 1st - 1st - 1st - 1st - 4th/5th or less

I don't see how that proves it wasn't sabotage. The sabotage was picking away at her, it wasn't one big scandal like the Misha B is a bully thing, so she'd have lost a few fans each week, so if anything, it proves the opposite.

[Jords]

It was the combination of same style week in and week out (works for an album for solid fans but on TXF its boring), a couple of very weak performances, her attitude changing - I felt she had a chip on her shoulder (probably down to her hanging around with Misha and her attitude rubbing off - VT's and Xtra Factor showed they were quite pally), and the fact others were improving and having stand-out performances - Little Mix's E.T. and Dont Let Go (Love), Marcus' Reet Petite, and Amelia's China In Your Hand... shifting fans away from Janet towards them 3.

Kelly favoured Misha B, but didnt sabotage Janet... Amelia coming off Top Girl proves that even if her attention was all on Misha it was audience opinion that had the final say.

[nanaimo]

just let the public vote count every week, the judges can be give their opinion and constructive critism but thats all, judging by the results after all, the top 3 should have been Little Mix, Janet and Amelia, so basically week after week the public are being screwed out of their hard earned cash when voting, if you pay to vote then the majority should decide not 4 people who have their favourites, Like Gary thinking Frankie could sing and even predicting him to win and very obvious kelly was only interested in Misha B, if she had interest in her other contestants she wouldn't have stood for the clever editing to make Janet look bad and not rushed off a few minutes after Amelia not getting into the last 2, instead rushing off to support Misha B at G-A-Y, if theres a god Kelly will not be back next year.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Elf Ears

It was the combination of same style week in and week out (works for an album for solid fans but on TXF its boring), a couple of very weak performances, her attitude changing - I felt she had a chip on her shoulder (probably down to her hanging around with Misha and her attitude rubbing off - VT's and Xtra Factor showed they were quite pally), and the fact others were improving and having stand-out performances - Little Mix's E.T. and Dont Let Go (Love), Marcus' Reet Petite, and Amelia's China In Your Hand... shifting fans away from Janet towards them 3.

Kelly favoured Misha B, but didnt sabotage Janet... Amelia coming off Top Girl proves that even if her attention was all on Misha it was audience opinion that had the final say.

My point being that the Mentors are supposed to help with the song choices, that's the whole point of this thread. What's the point in her having a mentor if she's not giving her songs that aren't samey or when she does give her unsamey ones they don't work (apart from Kiss Me)

personally I don't think she had a chip on her shoulder from hanging out with Misha, rather she was dis heartened at the lack of help she was getting from her so-called mentor, even the newspapers had rumours of the rift between them (which I for one thought looked obvious in how they were with eachother)