[nanaimo]

Janet had terrible song choices and you are right if Kelly was a good mentor she would have forseen the problems and not allowed them to be performed, bad mentor to be honest.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by nanaimo

Janet had terrible song choices and you are right if Kelly was a good mentor she would have forseen the problems and not allowed them to be performed, bad mentor to be honest.

Exactly, I mean mm bop for example, surely, she should have said, "No, Janet, we need a different song", when she heard that in rehearsals?

[nanaimo]

mmbop was the worse song choice in xf history, it belongs in 1997 and should stay there.

[Jords]

Considering 3/4 of Kelly's girls made the Top 6... thats half... she was a **** mentor but people dont base it on that.

Also you say about song choices Niamh but in your opinion Under The Bridge was amazing... the week she went... I think its definitely down to the 4 points I stated in the other post.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Elf Ears

Considering 3/4 of Kelly's girls made the Top 6... thats half... she was a **** mentor but people dont base it on that.

Also you say about song choices Niamh but in your opinion Under The Bridge was amazing... the week she went... I think its definitely down to the 4 points I stated in the other post.

Well, she had an extremely strong category, infact the 4 girls that didn't make the live shows were equally as good as the ones who did imo. If she had been a decent mentor she should have won, they were by far the best category.

Well, that's because The Red Hot Chili Peppers are my second favourite band though, and I adore that song. I realise that it's not poppy enough for X Factor and again, Kelly failed her there, she should have told her that the general public probably won't like it.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

But they weren't aware of the voting results until last night, were they?

They secretly know the results but act like they never knew until this point.

[Mystic Mock]

They have mentors so they can sabotage fan favourites,while also helping the ones who wouldnt have won if it wasnt for the mentors.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Bethlehem

They have mentors so they can sabotage fan favourites,while also helping the ones who wouldnt have won if it wasnt for the mentors.

lol, that's it in a nut shell I reckon JF

[robb]

Correct...in fact for someone (elf) who 'liked Janet for 6 weeks' they sound about as convincing as Kelly' don't they!!
In fact Janet had to squash rumours of a rift with Misha BECAUSE of KELLY'S BIAS. She could have said a lot about Kelly, but didn't. Amelia was also given short shrift, from all reports, later.
For whatever reason,(and song choice /theme didn't in any way help) JANET HAD TWO OR THREE AVERAGE weeks, yet still picked up votes. Amelia was re-introduced (though she had a bottom 2 week too), and LM were starting to pick up votes. Janet WAS KELLY'S best bet, but was undermined both by her lack of support and the manipulative remarks of BARLOW. You could see the worry on her face when it was BARLOW'S TURN TO CRITIQUE HER. In the end you had the feeling that JANET DIDN'T WANT TO BE THERE. In fact her last performance was her coolest. She KNEW they would save 'the great XF judges hope' Misha. She knew she was out......

[muchadoaboutnothing]

Originally Posted by nanaimo

just let the public vote count every week, the judges can be give their opinion and constructive critism but thats all, judging by the results after all, the top 3 should have been Little Mix, Janet and Amelia, so basically week after week the public are being screwed out of their hard earned cash when voting, if you pay to vote then the majority should decide not 4 people who have their favourites, Like Gary thinking Frankie could sing and even predicting him to win and very obvious kelly was only interested in Misha B, if she had interest in her other contestants she wouldn't have stood for the clever editing to make Janet look bad and not rushed off a few minutes after Amelia not getting into the last 2, instead rushing off to support Misha B at G-A-Y, if theres a god Kelly will not be back next year.

I totally agree with you nanaimo. I mentioned something similar on an earlier thread. Why do they bother getting the public to vote if the result of that voting is not going to be taking seriously and judges decide on who they THINK should leave? I believe (but maybe wrong) the week that Johnny Robinson was booted by the judges he (JR) actually didn't have the lowest number of votes which is unfair on those who voted to keep Johnny in. The same could be said for others kicked off by the judges who actually didn't receive the fewest votes. I can't help thinking that some of this years show was a fix.

[Jords]

Originally Posted by robb

Correct...in fact for someone (elf) who 'liked Janet for 6 weeks' they sound about as convincing as Kelly' don't they!!
In fact Janet had to squash rumours of a rift with Misha BECAUSE of KELLY'S BIAS. She could have said a lot about Kelly, but didn't. Amelia was also given short shrift, from all reports, later.
For whatever reason,(and song choice /theme didn't in any way help) JANET HAD TWO OR THREE AVERAGE weeks, yet still picked up votes. Amelia was re-introduced (though she had a bottom 2 week too), and LM were starting to pick up votes. Janet WAS KELLY'S best bet, but was undermined both by her lack of support and the manipulative remarks of BARLOW. You could see the worry on her face when it was BARLOW'S TURN TO CRITIQUE HER. In the end you had the feeling that JANET DIDN'T WANT TO BE THERE. In fact her last performance was her coolest. She KNEW they would save 'the great XF judges hope' Misha. She knew she was out......

Why would I lie about liking Janet?

She was my top favourite going into the lives shows... the only performance that really stood out for me though but is one of my favourites was Every Breath You Take

Seriously, stop doubting everything just to make your 'argument' sound better LOL.

[GypsyGoth]

I think Janet was evicted because she forgot the words twice and not because of her mentor.

[nanaimo]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

I think Janet was evicted because she forgot the words twice and not because of her mentor.

But Kelly didn't want to see any of her two girls go, she was told if she abstained Janet would go home automatically, if she didn't want to send them home directly, why didn't she just say i love "Ya'll" but i can't to this to either one of you so i am going to take it to deadlock and let the public decide, she didn't and she knew exactly why the public couldn't have the power.

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by nanaimo

But Kelly didn't want to see any of her two girls go, she was told if she abstained Janet would go home automatically, if she didn't want to send them home directly, why didn't she just say i love "Ya'll" but i can't to this to either one of you so i am going to take it to deadlock and let the public decide, she didn't and she knew exactly why the public couldn't have the power.

True but if Janet sang better it would have been Marcus against MishaB in the bottom two. Forgetting your lyrics in a song contest is pretty bad.

I think Kelly preferred Misha over Janet, so it was no surprised to me that she saved Misha.

[Jords]

After all that though I look forward to an album. Its just when it comes to TXF I like diversity and strong performances... and Im sure she wont be chippy with Misha no longer around.

[BBfanUSA]

Looking at mentors. I've noticed that's there is some biased opinons on the american version. Personally they should just either eliminate the acts with the least votes every week. With the mentor's save that can be used to save just one act once like Idol or after the singoff like someone said have a public vote between the bottom 22 and results are revealed at the end of the live(Should performance show next week except for semifinal and final

[Marc]

I really really really don't think the judge's messed up her chances of winning.. it's becoming an annoying get out claus to cover up the fact that the girl wasn't that good and she got boring! Sophie went, she got boring, Craig went, he got boring, The Risk went, they got boring.

Stop playing the 'everyone one was against Janet' card..

The girl isn't that good.

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I would prefer to see a series without the judges as mentors, but instead as just judges (like other shows like SCD, DoI) so they can work with vocal coaches and all the production people in the background to pick their songs and outfits etc. Some clear advantages this year with Kelly and Misha B, Tulisa and Nu Vibe (LOL so sh*t) and Tulisa's rant to Misha B.

[Marc]

Originally Posted by big brother usa fan

Looking at mentors. I've noticed that's there is some biased opinons on the american version. Personally they should just either eliminate the acts with the least votes every week. With the mentor's save that can be used to save just one act once like Idol or after the singoff like someone said have a public vote between the bottom 22 and results are revealed at the end of the live(Should performance show next week except for semifinal and final

I do like that touch in AI but I don't know if the producers will allow it, letting it become so like another singing competition. But I do like that idea! It casts aside any bias, annoying bickering and moaning from contestants. And certainly eliminate any chance of people like Katie Waissel, Misha B, Kitty from overstaying their welcome.

[joeysteele]

From the voting figures,it was clear that Janet was the front runner from the start. I still stand by my view that these daft themed weeks actually in the end stifle the best in an act rather than bring the best out of them so I like the idea of the acts choosing their own song as someone said earlier.

Gary in particular for Janets last 3 weeks started to really get at her and I have always had doubts that one or more judges didn't have at least a small 'hint' at least as to who was getting the most votes week on week.

Gary certainly turned on Janet. I think it's time for X Factor to follow 'strictly' and make it all down to the public votes as to who goes week by week,do away with the sing off,which is a waste of time since the sing off was originally to be a save yourself exercise ruling out the previous problems of the song sung the night before.
In Janet's case, she was judged on the night before too,with the stumblimg of the words for whatever reason so really a sing off was unfair.

I don't know about having mentors but Kelly has been a terrible mentor, Gary chose an awful act in Frankie to go in the live shows,Tulisa did well with Littlemix but badly with the Risk,Louis gets the worst category year on year and I doubt any other mentor could have put any different acts into the finals than Louis did.

Time to have much broader themed week if they must have them, by all means a type of music themed week and maybe songs from a decade too but an artist themed week is a poor show now. I would also like to see an original week where the act has to compose something themself or have someone specially compose a song for them to be judged on too.

Also if an act is in the bottom 2 that should be noted and if they are put there 3 times by the public then that week they automatically go out,clearly the public don't connect to them, as with Katie last year and Misha this year, however Janet on her first time ever even near the bottom 2, went out despite that and whatever the reasons,to me that was unfair and does raise questions as to the quality of mentoring and moreso as to the judges power as to the decsion as to who goes home any week.

As to Janet against Misha in the sing off, if the votes were added up over all the previous weeks, at that time Janet would have beaten Misha out of sight on them,that really is something that needs to be taken into account as to who goes out of the show.

Gary,to me, saw Janet as real competition,(rightly so), for his acts, Misha in the bottom 2 so many times he knew she wasn't going to win anyway so he couldn't wait to vote Janet out,that should be unacceptable and the rules need to change.

[Marc]

There needs to be a structural change to TXF.

No themed weeks, or at least make them much more loose.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Marczipan

There needs to be a structural change to TXF.

No themed weeks, or at least make them much more loose.

I totally would go along with that Marc.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marczipan

There needs to be a structural change to TXF.

No themed weeks, or at least make them much more loose.

also, get rid of the judges deciding who stays and who goes, either lowest votes go straight out or let them do the sing off and re open the lines again for the bottom 2

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Christmas Neeve

also, get rid of the judges deciding who stays and who goes, either lowest votes go straight out or let them do the sing off and re open the lines again for the bottom 2

It's hardly a surprise that I would agree with you too but for the record I really think it's time this is the case. Definately remove the judges power once the 'live' shows commence.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

It's hardly a surprise that I would agree with you too but for the record I really think it's time this is the case. Definately remove the judges power once the 'live' shows commence.

Yeah, It just really pisses people off when they save someone 2 and 3 times over people whose first time it is in the bottom, it's almost saying **** you to the voters imo.

[Jords]

Originally Posted by Christmas Neeve

also, get rid of the judges deciding who stays and who goes, either lowest votes go straight out or let them do the sing off and re open the lines again for the bottom 2

I like that idea, announce at start of Result Show who is B2, re-start votes for the 2 acts, then allow voting whilst the guest stars perform.

Either that or have a limit that the judges have a maximum of 3 saves during the series to save the bottom act(sometimes the bottom act really doesnt deserve to go and it was just a poor/forgettable performance that week... The Risk for example). And instead of a vote system, have it an open debate amongst the 3 where they must come to a majority decision of 3-1 or 4-0