[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17813706

Nadine Dorries MP, a Conservative backbencher, said the PM and his chancellor were "two arrogant posh boys who don't know the price of milk and who show no remorse, no contrition and no passion to want to understand the lives of others."

Yeah, that's the Cameron Clique for you .....

[arista]

Dorries
is not worth a thread.


She is a Big Mouth Cow.

[bbfan1991]

Who is she?

Some people think Labour will save this country again, they had their chance ages ago and this new Government aren't doing well either. All the Political parties and leaders are as bad as each other!

[joeysteele]

She is rather a loose cannon, I have no problem with the PM being a 'posh' boy or George Osborne for that matter, it's a sad fact that in politics often the result of high office and being the Govt, doesn't allow you to know the full aspirations and problems of the people you govern.

Nadine Dorries, likely doesn't really understand most people either,being a backbencher she can spout her nonsense whenever she chooses.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

She is rather a loose cannon, I have no problem with the PM being a 'posh' boy or George Osborne for that matter, it's a sad fact that in politics often the result of high office and being the Govt, doesn't allow you to know the full aspirations and problems of the people you govern.

Osborne's so posh he's never had a "proper" job and probably never met, on a social basis, any of people he "governs" :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_cameron

George Gideon Oliver Osborne is the eldest of four sons. His father, Sir Peter Osborne, 17th Baronet, co-founded the firm of fabric and wallpapers designers Osborne & Little. His mother is Felicity Alexandra Loxton-Peacock, the daughter of artist Lady Clarisse Loxton Peacock.[2][6]

Originally named Gideon Oliver, he changed his name to George when he was 13. Osborne was educated at two independent schools in west London: at Norland Place School in Holland Park and St Paul's School in Barnes (near Hammersmith), followed by a Bachelor's degree at Magdalen College at the University of Oxford where he received a 2:1 in Modern History. At Oxford he edited the university's Isis magazine, and was a member of the Bullingdon Club. He also attended Davidson College in North Carolina for a semester as a Dean Rusk Scholar.

He originally intended to pursue a career in journalism, but instead joined the Conservative Research Department in 1994 and became head of the Political Section. Between 1995 and 1997 he worked for the Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food as special advisor to minister Douglas Hogg (during the BSE crisis) and worked in the Political Office at 10 Downing Street.

Between 1997 and 2001, he worked for then Conservative leader William Hague as a speechwriter and Political Secretary. In this role he helped prepare Hague for the weekly session of Prime Minister's Questions, often playing the role of Prime Minister Tony Blair. Under the successive leaderships of Michael Howard and David Cameron he remained on the Prime Minister's Questions team.

Cameron's even posher :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Cameron

David Cameron is the younger son of stockbroker Ian Donald Cameron and his wife Mary Fleur (née Mount, born 1934, a retired Justice of the Peace, daughter of Sir William Mount, 2nd Baronet). His father was born at Blairmore House, a country house near Huntly, Aberdeenshire, and died near Toulon in France on 8 September 2010. Blairmore was built by his great-great-grandfather, Alexander Geddes, who had made a fortune in the grain trade in Chicago, and returned to Scotland in the 1880s.

Through his paternal grandmother, Enid Agnes Maud Levita, Cameron is a direct descendant of King William IV by his mistress Dorothea Jordan. This illegitimate line consists of five generations of women starting with Elizabeth Hay, Countess of Erroll née FitzClarence, William and Jordan's sixth child,[13] through to Cameron's grandmother (thereby making Cameron a 5th cousin of Queen Elizabeth II). Cameron's paternal forebears also have a long history in finance. His father Ian was senior partner of the stockbrokers Panmure Gordon, in which firm partnerships had long been held by Cameron's ancestors, including David's grandfather and great-grandfather, and was a Director of estate agent John D Wood. David Cameron's great-great grandfather Emile Levita, a German-Jewish financier (and descendant of Renaissance scholar Elia Levita) who obtained British citizenship in 1871, was the director of the Chartered Bank of India, Australia and China which became Standard Chartered Bank in 1969. His wife, Cameron's great-great grandmother, was a descendant of the wealthy Danish Jewish Rée family on her father's side. One of Emile's sons, Arthur Francis Levita (died 1910, brother of Sir Cecil Levita), of Panmure Gordon stockbrokers, together with great-great-grandfather Sir Ewen Cameron, London head of the Hongkong and Shanghai Bank, played key roles in arranging loans supplied by the Rothschilds to the Japanese Central Banker (later Prime Minister) Takahashi Korekiyo for the financing of the Japanese Government in the Russo-Japanese war.

Cameron's maternal grandfather was Sir William Mount, 2nd Baronet, an Army officer and the High Sheriff of Berkshire, and Cameron's maternal great-grandfather was Sir William Mount, 1st Baronet, CBE, Conservative MP for Newbury 1918–1922. Cameron's great-great grandmother was Lady Ida Matilda Alice Feilding. His great-great-great grandfather was William Feilding, 7th Earl of Denbigh, GCH, PC, a courtier and Gentleman of the Bedchamber. His mother's cousin, Sir Ferdinand Mount, was head of 10 Downing Street's Policy Unit in the early 1980s. Cameron is the nephew of Sir William Dugdale, brother-in-law of Katherine, Lady Dugdale (died 2004) Lady-in-Waiting to HM The Queen since 1955, and former Chairman of Aston Villa Football Club.

From the age of seven, Cameron was educated at two independent schools: at Heatherdown Preparatory School at Winkfield, in Berkshire, which counts Prince Andrew and Prince Edward among its alumni. At the age of thirteen, he went to Eton School in Berkshire.

Cameron obtained three 'A' grades and a '1' grade in the Scholarship Level exam in Economics and Politics.[28] The following autumn he passed the entrance exam for Oxford University, where he was offered an exhibition.

After leaving Eton in 1984, Cameron started a nine month gap year. He worked as a researcher for Tim Rathbone, Conservative MP for Lewes and his godfather. In his three months he attended debates in the House of Commons. Through his father, he was then employed for a further three months in Hong Kong by Jardine Matheson as a 'ship jumper', an administrative post.

Cameron then began his Bachelor of Arts in Philosophy, Politics, and Economics (PPE) at Brasenose College, Oxford. After graduation, Cameron worked for the Conservative Research Department between September 1988 and 1993.

[arista]

So What

Look at Labour Toffy Nosed Leader.

Omah are you a Snob?

[joeysteele]

Well by the same token past Labour leaders could be accused of not understanding the needs of massively rich businessmen too. Coming from maybe where they started from.

I don't believe for a moment,politicians don't want to feel some connection with all the voters, I also don't believe for a minute that the PM and George Osborne don't care about people less fortunate than themselves.

In Govt; the PM and his cabinet have to look at the overall big picture,of everyone,for the whole of the UK, they cannot take just a snapshot and use that as the overall base to work from.

I do not think David Cameron is a particularly good PM, he isn't really a successful leader of the Conservative party even,that's not because he is posh or a snob.
I think he would however be approachable and be encouraging when talking to anyone and also he is by far the best of the current 3 leaders on offer in the UK.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by bbfan1991

Who is she?

Some people think Labour will save this country again, they had their chance ages ago and this new Government aren't doing well either. All the Political parties and leaders are as bad as each other!

She's a Tory as well, and a particularly bad one

[Omah]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well by the same token past Labour leaders could be accused of not understanding the needs of massively rich businessmen too.

What needs do "massively rich businessmen" have?

They're not needy, just greedy .....

I don't believe for a moment,politicians don't want to feel some connection with all the voters, I also don't believe for a minute that the PM and George Osborne don't care about people less fortunate than themselves.

Frankly, they don't give a toss - their ancestors had serfs and they've got wage-slaves - people like Cameron and Osborne still live in "castles" and employ "retainers" like their fathers and their fathers before them - voters are just so many "mugs", like the poor sods who volunteered to die at the front during WWI while Cameron's forebears made a packet from the war machine .....

In Govt; the PM and his cabinet have to look at the overall big picture,of everyone,for the whole of the UK, they cannot take just a snapshot and use that as the overall base to work from.

For Cameron and his Cronies, there's no "big picture" - it's business as usual - rob the poor and give to the rich - after he robbed the grannies to pay off his "massively rich businessmen" buddies, Osborne is giving the IMF Ł10bn to prop up other countries failing economies while government department budgets are being cut by Ł16bn .....

[Omah]

Originally Posted by arista

Omah are you a Snob?

What's a Snob ?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Omah

What's a Snob ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snob

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well by the same token past Labour leaders could be accused of not understanding the needs of massively rich businessmen too. Coming from maybe where they started from.

I don't believe for a moment,politicians don't want to feel some connection with all the voters, I also don't believe for a minute that the PM and George Osborne don't care about people less fortunate than themselves.

In Govt; the PM and his cabinet have to look at the overall big picture,of everyone,for the whole of the UK, they cannot take just a snapshot and use that as the overall base to work from.

I do not think David Cameron is a particularly good PM, he isn't really a successful leader of the Conservative party even,that's not because he is posh or a snob.
I think he would however be approachable and be encouraging when talking to anyone and also he is by far the best of the current 3 leaders on offer in the UK.

Well said Joey,I also think David Cameron has a really tough job picking up the pieces that the last government left ,he does at least listen to what people need(not want)and has on occasion changed his mind over some issues.I like him and I think he means well.

[joeysteele]

Omah, Labour would have given the bail out funds to the IMF too, I have said this many times, I am not a party person as to politics, I can see the good in both main parties,not so the Lib Dems now,I see no credibility or even much integrity about them.

However no matter who got in at the 2010 election, there was going to be little,if any. good news on the economic front, this Govt, appears to have the as near as you can get it, approval of the major economic watchers.
There was no good news, if it was possible, this Govt like any other would want to really go for that but the harsh realities are that to ease out of recession, Labour massively increased the financial burden on the UK,in truth to protect the human element as to limited loss of jobs.

It was widely predicted,this govt with it's savage cuts, would be happy to see human cost as to loss of jobs and livelihoods be the norm so as to help with the financial burden.
They have done some of their cuts and are behind on their target for the deficit reduction but the loss of jobs hasn't as yet gone anywhere near what the doomwatchers predicted,yet anyway.

Big business and the massively rich owners of business also have needs Omah, the UK needs these wealth producers to compete worldwide,create employment and help the UK be economically stronger.
Bashing big business and moaning at the massively rich as if they had no needs too or feelings is as wrong as always hitting those on the lower scale.
It's like snobbery in reverse in fact.

This Govt has no easy task, the next one won't have either,it's not really about snobbery or otherwise, it's facing hard facts that times have to be hard for the foreseeable future and do the best that can be done.
I don't think any one party has the answer,we cannot get a Govt of fully consensus politicians and in light of that, this Govt is doing the best it can.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by arista

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snob

According to that article, everybody'would appear to be a type of Snob .....

[Omah]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Omah, Labour would have given the bail out funds to the IMF too, I have said this many times, I am not a party person as to politics, I can see the good in both main parties,not so the Lib Dems now,I see no credibility or even much integrity about them.

You are digresssing - the thread is about the extremely rich and privileged PM and his Chancellor, neither of whom has had a "career" in anything but politics, starting off, after Eton and Oxford, by obtaining grant and favour "posts" with those in power who wore the same ties - neither served in the armed forces or did voluntary work so neither came into contact with the "huddled masses" - they belong to the same class of Edwardians who, from the comfort of their castles and palaces, incompetently conducted an horrendously expensive and wasteful world war caring naught for the "cannon fodder" that got churned up by the million into mud and blood.

It was widely predicted,this govt with it's savage cuts, would be happy to see human cost as to loss of jobs and livelihoods be the norm so as to help with the financial burden.

They have done some of their cuts and are behind on their target for the deficit reduction but the loss of jobs hasn't as yet gone anywhere near what the doomwatchers predicted,yet anyway.

I assume you are NOT one of the 2.65m unemployed (an EIGHTH of the working population) and their hundreds of thousands of dependants suffering ongoing financial hardship and daily emotional crises as a result of the "savage cuts" inflicted on the working classes by those whose vast unearned income grows exponentially .....

Big business and the massively rich owners of business also have needs Omah.

What "needs"?

Bashing big business and moaning at the massively rich as if they had no needs too or feelings is as wrong as always hitting those on the lower scale.

What "needs"?

These people have everything they could possibly NEED - their lives are all about WANT - more money, more power, more influence .....

[joeysteele]

I cannot see how I was digressing Omah and I respect your view but the PM and Chancellor are responsible for the economic policies the Govt enact and it was you yourself who raised the 10 billion bail out fund to the IMF.

I am not one of the 2.65 million unemployed, you are right, I am a 20 year old student still with near a year and a half left at Uni,however predictions were made that the Chancellors cuts and the PMs Govt would take unemployment to near 4 million, that has not happened.

The needs of big business and very rich business owners is that a good strong and credible economic climate is there for them to continue to help creating the wealth of the UK and also to create employment, if those needs are not addressed and respected then economically we could well be sunk.

More money, more power to those big businesses and the wealthy owners of them mean more jobs for people, more earnings in peoples pockets and more success for the UK at home and abroad by likely exports amd also foreign investment too.

David Cameron and George Osborne want that scenario to be the case I am sure of that, 'posh' boys or not, arrogant or not.
One thing is for sure, as a backbencher Nadine Dorries may be expressing her view but despite her comments she made today, she still marches into the voting lobbies supporting the very policies she claims the 'posh' boys have put forward that demonstrate they don't understand people.

Sounds rather hypocritical of her to me that does.

[Omah]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...sh-boys-803685

Mr Cameron had hoped to draw a line under the Government’s torrid few weeks with an appearance on BBC Radio 4’s Today programme.

Mr Cameron admitted mistakes over the granny tax and the pasty tax debacles in the Budget.

He insisted that he did do the family *shopping and that he knew the price of a pint of milk.

He said: “I do a lot of our shopping. I go to Sainsbury’s* in Chipping Norton on Friday or Saturday.”

Mr Cameron was on the back foot again when he was forced to deny he was too “relaxed” about running the country amid claims that he spends too much of his time jogging, playing tennis or computer game Angry Birds.

Denying he was lazy, he said he worked “very, very hard”. But it was important to find time to play tennis.

He also said that watching DVD box sets with his wife Samantha and their regular date nights when they cooked for each other helped keep him grounded.

He was asked repeatedly to explain why he had given a job to Top Shop tycoon Sir Philip Green whose business paid a Ł1.2billion dividend to his wife, Tina, who lives in the tax haven of Monaco.

*Chipping Norton Sainsbury's supermarket plan refused

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-17256031

West Oxfordshire District Council refused permission for the 30,000 sq ft (9,100 sq m) supermarket on the former Parker Knoll site at Chipping Norton.

Objectors had complained a new store would increase traffic and affect smaller businesses.

Sainsbury's said it would have provided greater food choice and created about 200 jobs.

Steve Pitz, of the Stop Chippy's Out of Town Supermarket (Scoots) campaign group, called the decision a "tick in the right box for common sense".

He said: "The advent of a new superstore development would have just been disastrous for the town retailers.

"They're all struggling... We need to support the town centre and not pull it apart."

One in the eye for the out-of-town bullet-proof limousine shoppers and a victory for "local empowerment" .....

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-16545898

In Britain, Danny Dorling, professor of human geography at Sheffield University, has looked back even further into history. He's charted the share of national income going to the richest 1% since 1918, the end of World War I.

After falling for more than half a century, Prof Dorling says, the share of Britain's richest 1% started rising sharply and inequality is now on course to return to what it was in 1918.

Even within the richest 1%, inequalities are now enormous.

At the lower end of this tiny group of high earners, Prof Dorling says you find people earning Ł120,000 a year.

But the richest thousand individuals leave them far behind.

They saw their wealth increase on average in 2010 alone by Ł60m.* That was a 20% gain, following 25% the previous year.

In November, the revelation of the size of the increases enjoyed by chief executives of the 100 largest companies on the London Stock Exchange triggered the most political anger.

The High Pay Commission reported that these executives' total pay had risen by 49%* during the previous year alone, compared with average increases of less than 3% for their employees.

The rise left the chief executives with average pay of Ł4.2m*. That was 145 times the average pay of their employees and 162 times the British average wage.

That's each ..... and, of course, they probably don't pay tax on that increased income, let alone the millions/billions they've got hoarded away .....

[Shaun]

Dorries proposed amendments to the Health and Social Care Bill 2011 which would have blocked abortion services such as BPAS and Marie Stopes International providing counselling services. She argued that these organisations had a vested financial interest in encouraging abortions, but "independent" counselling services could be anti-abortion faith groups

On 4 May 2011, Dorries proposed a bill to require that sex education in schools should include content promoting abstinence to girls aged 13 to 16 which was presented as teaching them "how to say no".

On 21 October 2010, the MP's standards watchdog criticised Dorries for maintaining a blog which would "mislead constituents" as to how much actual time she was spending in her constituency. Dorries admitted "My blog is 70% fiction and 30% fact."

In October 2010, Dorries suggested that benefit claimants who made more than 35,000 postings on Twitter should be reported to the Department for Work and Pensions. On being told by the Bedfordshire on Sunday newspaper that one of her constituents was out of work due to ill health and had posted more than 37,000 tweets, Dorries told the newspaper that her constituent's tweeting gave housebound disabled people a bad name.

At least they're not out-and-out pricks.

Well they are but still.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I cannot see how I was digressing Omah

You brought in comparisons to the Labour Party - a typical tory tactic, i.e usually "the previous government"

I respect your view but the PM and Chancellor are responsible for the economic policies the Govt enact and it was you yourself who raised the 10 billion bail out fund to the IMF.

Of course, robbing the poor to pay to the rich .....

I am not one of the 2.65 million unemployed, you are right, I am a 20 year old student still with near a year and a half left at Uni

Your perspective may change when you face "reality" - well, unless you're a member of the Conservative Part .....

The needs of big business and very rich business owners is that a good strong and credible economic climate is there for them to continue to help creating the wealth of the UK and also to create employment, if those needs are not addressed and respected then economically we could well be sunk.

More money, more power to those big businesses and the wealthy owners of them mean more jobs for people, more earnings in peoples pockets and more success for the UK at home and abroad by likely exports amd also foreign investment too.

I belive that you are lining in a dream-world - big business and very rich business owners don't give a toss about "creating the wealth of the UK" or "creating employment" - for a start, most "big businesses" are part of multi-national conglomerates and "most very rich business owners" live elsewhere than in the UK - both only care about profit and cost - their billions of employees worldwide contain many of the world's povery-stricken and starving .....

If you look at the statistics I have provided, the top 1% wealthiest in the UK, which includes Cameron and Osborne, are increasing their personal wealth, on average, by between 25% and 50% year on year - any profits accumulated are certainly not being filtered down to the working classes or the unemployed - their "wealth" is one of diminishing return .....

David Cameron and George Osborne want that scenario to be the case I am sure of that, 'posh' boys or not, arrogant or not.

How are you sure? Do you know them?

[arista]

she is a Stupid Cow.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

she is a Stupid Cow.

amazing response arista,

[joeysteele]

Omah, it's not in the interest of big business and wealthy owners of business to want to see an economy that liimits their growth and thereby affects their wealth, they don't have to care as to giving employment to others, the fact they are and do, when they are really successful means they 'need' to employ people to build even more of and secure their empires and wealth.
That is how they help create the success of the UK in part.

I consider,I live in the real world, I am not blinkered by one party as to politics, Conservative,Labour or any other,in my view they have both failed the UK over the last 30+ years, The Conservatives for 18 years and then Labour for 13 more.

Of course I haven't met the PM or George Osborne but I said I was sure,(that I personally was sure),that neither of them would not want the scenario I portrayed,no one who aspires to lead the UK I believe really wants to harm it.

I am not swayed by stubborn Conservative allegiance to everything they do nor am I swayed by Labour's sour grapes.
I do see this Govt trying to clear a mess and build strength for the future against heavy odds and for that it warrants support.
Oddly enough,as I said before, it gets that support form Ms Dorries who actually made the criticisms in the first place.perhaps she is the one 'not' living in reality.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Omah

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...sh-boys-803685



*Chipping Norton Sainsbury's supermarket plan refused

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-17256031



One in the eye for the out-of-town bullet-proof limousine shoppers and a victory for "local empowerment" .....

The MIRROR ? say no more,lol.

[Kazanne]

Quote:
David Cameron and George Osborne want that scenario to be the case I am sure of that, 'posh' boys or not, arrogant or not.

How are you sure? Do you know them?


begs the question,Do you?