[Ammi]

So Richard III’s body has (possibly) been found, and while he had scoliosis (a curvature of the spine), “the skeleton was not a hunchback". In your face, Tudor propaganda machine!

Well, perhaps it's him, and it's exciting news. The last Plantagenet still rather fascinates the public; the last English king to die in battle, he was one of Shakespeare’s greatest monsters – but there have always been questions about how bad he actually was. On the one hand he was cast by the Tudors as being a usurper, but, worse still, the killer of his two young nephews. (It is striking how, even in eras when violence was widespread, the murder of children still holds a particular horror. In the story of the last days of the Third Reich, as shown in Downfall and The Bunker, the Goebbels’ murders of their six children are still the most shocking scenes.)

But no one has ever successfully identified the bodies of the Princes in the Tower and many believe that Henry VII killed them. Certainly Henry and his son had no qualms about bumping off various relatives, the finale to a century and a half of fratricidal strife, although they tended to be adults. And Henry Tudor certainly gave the impression of believing young Edward and Richard to be dead


http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/ed...burial-london/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/9...back-king.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/9...ved-spine.html

You were there the first time around.

Boom

[Ammi]

..yeah, which is why I know it's not him you cheeky monkey...(doesn't really know..might be him)...I think it's probably Quasimodo...the Disney version....

[joeysteele]

I have read a lot of books on Richard 111 Ammi, somehow my own view is that he wasn't in any way the monster he was portrayed to be, of course not being there and seeing for yourself it is hard to form opinions that have any binding.

For me though, I think the Tudors were in the main part ruthless liars and as to the Princes in the Tower, I feel at that time and the uncertain time it was, that Richard 111 had little to gain,if anything at all even, from killing them, they were after all heirs to his line should anything happen to him.
Henry V11 however would need them dead to be sure of security once he had got the throne so for me, I now hold the view he is very likely the architect of their deaths not Richard.

I hope if they conclude that these are in fact his bones that they eventually get the burial that most Monarchs have been accorded.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I have read a lot of books on Richard 111 Ammi, somehow my own view is that he wasn't in any way the monster he was portrayed to be, of course not being there and seeing for yourself it is hard to form opinions that have any binding.

For me though, I think the Tudors were in the main part ruthless liars and as to the Princes in the Tower, I feel at that time and the uncertain time it was, that Richard 111 had little to gain,if anything at all even, from killing them, they were after all heirs to his line should anything happen to him.
Henry V11 however would need them dead to be sure of security once he had got the throne so for me, I now hold the view he is very likely the architect of their deaths not Richard.

I hope if they conclude that these are in fact his bones that they eventually get the burial that most Monarchs have been accorded.

..I totally agree with that Joey...that's my view as well....

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-21063882

A skeleton found beneath a Leicester car park has been confirmed as that of English king Richard III.

Experts from the University of Leicester said DNA from the bones matched that of descendants of the monarch's family.

Richard was killed in battle in 1485 but his grave was lost when the church around it was demolished in the 16th Century.

The skeleton had suffered 10 injuries, including eight to the skull.

The bones, which are of a man in his late 20s or early 30s, have been carbon dated to a period from 1455-1540.

Richard was 32 when he died at the Battle of Bosworth in 1485.

Lead archaeologist Richard Taylor, from the University of Leicester, said to applause at a press conference: "Beyond reasonable doubt it's Richard. This is a historic day for Leicester."

It has also been confirmed the bones will be reinterred in Leicester Cathedral, yards from where they were found.

So someone had a Richard the 3rd in a Leicester car park. Hardly news.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

So someone had a Richard the 3rd in a Leicester car park. Hardly news.

Ho ho ho ..... split my sides laughing .....

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

So someone had a Richard the 3rd in a Leicester car park. Hardly news.

No its now on Every Hour news
They built a car park on a Important Leader,
Shocking.

If they'd have known, then I doubt they'd have purposefully done that. Loads of important historical figures are buried in obscure places.

Nobody knows where Tom Paines body is, and he's far more recent and inspirational.

[Marc]

I found him.

[arista]

[The Battle of Bosworth: Richard, pictured on the white horse,
was killed in battle more than 500 years ago
at Bosworth field, in a battle which marked
the end of his line and the rise of the Tudors]


well before SkyNewsHD

[joeysteele]

I am so pleased that he will now get the decent resting place he should have had.

For me,he is a Monarch likely greatly misrepresented in history. Henry V11 has a massively personally glorified tomb where his bones lie,for me Richard 111 warranted that more than he likely ever did.

[Munchkins]

Absolutely amazing discovery, Richard III has had a hard time in history and is underrated tbh just as Mary I has been, considering Elizabeth burnt a lot of people too. Anyway for a historic lover like me who studies it at A level this really is fantastic and I still believe Henry vii killed the princes I wonder if they will ever be found since the last bones found were proven not to be them

[Alf]

Good old Richard the hundred and eleventh

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I am so pleased that he will now get the decent resting place he should have had.

For me,he is a Monarch likely greatly misrepresented in history. Henry V11 has a massively personally glorified tomb where his bones lie,for me Richard 111 warranted that more than he likely ever did.

Yes
Hell of a guy

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Munchkins

Absolutely amazing discovery, Richard III has had a hard time in history and is underrated tbh just as Mary I has been, considering Elizabeth burnt a lot of people too. Anyway for a historic lover like me who studies it at A level this really is fantastic and I still believe Henry vii killed the princes I wonder if they will ever be found since the last bones found were proven not to be them

Really interesting post Munchkins,it would be good if they were to find the Princes remains too.
I also agree that it was more likely henry Tudor who murdered the Princes, not Richard.
They were by far a greater threat to Henry than Richard.

[Alf]

Bring him home to York and bury him in York minister.

[Munchkins]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Really interesting post Munchkins,it would be good if they were to find the Princes remains too.
I also agree that it was more likely henry Tudor who murdered the Princes, not Richard.
They were by far a greater threat to Henry than Richard.

Everyone likes a figure to pin all the blame for, and sadly for Richard he was that, also didn't help that he was supposedly an ugly man, and obviously with the curviture of his spine, he was not in the best shape, and had deformities
would be great if they find the princes but i find it doubtful

[arista]

A Special Tonight on Ch4 9PM

[Me. I Am Salman]

I'll be able to sleep better tonight.

[Marcus.]

that a cool find
heard it on the radio

[Munchkins]

Originally Posted by Salman!

I'll be able to sleep better tonight.

How people can not be fascinated by history i'll never know

[Kazanne]

I find this story so interesting,so much can be learnt from our history now,and now at least he will be interred in a fitting place.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I find this story so interesting,so much can be learnt from our history now,and now at least he will be interred in a fitting place.

..he might be annoyed he's lost his parking space Kaz...parking in Leicester is quite expensive....