[arista]

Was just Live

Great Man he grabbed the desk near the judge,


Blair is a Fecking War Criminal

[lostalex]

i like Tony Blair. Nice to see a politician with conviction, a man that's not only concerned with the next election.

The man has character, unlike the gummy worms that came after him Brown and Miliband.

[Me. I Am Salman]

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Haha legend

[lostalex]

A shame the British public wasn't so passionate about Saddam Hussein while he was in power, perhaps this gentleman should have done the same thing to Saddam Hussein while he was in power, then maybe he'd understand the difference between real war criminals and democratically elected politicians.

this man will be back out on the streets in freedom tomorrow i assume. if he did this to saddam hussein he'd be killed.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Salman!

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Originally Posted by lostalex

A shame the British public wasn't so passionate about Saddam Hussein while he was in power, perhaps this gentleman should have done the same thing to Saddam Hussein while he was in power, then maybe he'd understand the difference between real war criminals and democratically elected politicians.

this man will be back out on the streets in freedom tomorrow i assume. if he did this to saddam hussein he'd be killed.

So what, we should never criticise leaders and politicians because in some countries you'd get killed for doing so?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

So what, we should never criticise leaders and politicians because in some countries you'd get killed for doing so?

There should be some perspective and relativism. Screaming about Tony Blair when the likes of Assad, and Castro, and Kim-Jong Un, and Amadinajad etc are out there just looks silly.

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Originally Posted by lostalex

there should be some perspective. And screaming about Tony Blair when the likes of Assad, and Castro, and fat-jong Ill, and Amadinajad etc are out there just looks silly.

Well Blair is responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well Blair is responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths

no he's not. Al Queda, the Taliban, and Militant Islam are responsible for those deaths. They struct first on 9/11. Our retaliation is defensive.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by lostalex

no he's not. Al Queda, the Taliban, and Militant Islam are responsible for those deaths. They struct first on 9/11. Our retaliation is defensive.

It was our invasion of Iraq that gave Al Qaeda a strong foothold in the country. And look where they are now, nearly 10 years since the start of war and hundreds of thousands of deaths, Iraq has just got another corrupt dictator in charge

Saddam Hussein was never our prime minister. We either get involved in every example of a dictatorship in the world, or we get involved in none. Picking and choosing our moral stands doesn't actually make them moral at all.

Originally Posted by lostalex

no he's not. Al Queda, the Taliban, and Militant Islam are responsible for those deaths. They struct first on 9/11. Our retaliation is defensive.

Do you think America over reacted at all?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It was our invasion of Iraq that gave Al Qaeda a strong foothold in the country. And look where the country is now, nearly 10 years since the start of war and hundreds of thousands of deaths, Iraq has just got another corrupt dictator in charge

oh plz, the problem is not bush or blair or the wars, the problem is their culture. they have the education level of the average American 8 year old, 80% illeteracy. These are not people we are dealing with, these are brainwashed zombies. brainwashed by Islam.

That's why so much of our (NATO) mission has been about education and building schools and hospitals and democratic institutions. the only way to fight them is to try to educate the people. That's why they target schools!

Tony Blair didn't make these people ignorant and brainwashed, Militant Islam and arab culture did.
the vast majority of deaths in these wars are from suicide bombers, roadsidebombs(IEDS) and the taliban using civilian positions to attack.

They literally position themselves among women and children so that they can use civilian deaths as propaganda afterwards. Don't be dumb enuf to fall for it. Every woman and child killed in this war is by their own design.

you cannot blame Blair for brainwashed islamic militants.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Do you think America over reacted at all?

over reacted? no. i think we(America) were incredibly restrained. remember that 9/11 was not the first attack, thhey first attacked the World Trade Center in 1993, and we tried a measured response.

And what did we get for our restrained response in 1993 attack on the wtc?? we got 9/11 8 years later.

You cannot say America over-reacted.

We tried diplomacy and small response after the 1993 attack on the WTC, and what we got in response to our restraint was 9/11.

IMO our response to 9/11 was still very restrained. Most Americans would have been happy to see the entire middle east nuked.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Saddam Hussein was never our prime minister. We either get involved in every example of a dictatorship in the world, or we get involved in none. Picking and choosing our moral stands doesn't actually make them moral at all.

wrong, there is nothing wrong with taking them on 1 at a time. Where do you get this all or nothing mentality?

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Originally Posted by lostalex

oh plz, the problem is not bush or blair or the wars, the problem is their culture. they have the education level of the average American 8 year old, 80% illeteracy. These are not people we are dealing with, these are brainwashed zombies. brainwashed by Islam.

That's why so much of our (NATO) mission has been about education and building schools and hospitals and democratic institutions. the only way to fight them is to try to educate the people. That's why they target schools!

Tony Blair didn't make these people ignorant and brainwashed, Militant Islam and arab culture did.
the vast majority of deaths in these wars are from suicide bombers, roadsidebombs(IEDS) and the taliban using civilian positions to attack.

They literally position themselves among women and children so that they can use civilian deaths as propaganda afterwards. Don't be dumb enuf to fall for it. Every woman and child killed in this war is by their own design.

you cannot blame Blair for brainwashed islamic militants.

Taleban? Which war are you talking about here?

And your language is just pretty much that of Imperialists 100/200 years ago; these non-whites are too dumb to manage their own affairs, they need us to come and show them what to do, because really we've set such a good example haven't we? It's not like we funded the Taleban when it was the Soviets they were fighting, it's not like we've replaced their rule in Afghanistan, and Saddam's rule in Iraq, with a corrupt government, it's not like we've brought war and devastation to their countries is it? How about you don't be dumb enough to fall for the West = good, Middle east = bad, binary view of the world and think everything we're doing there is out of the goodness of our hearts and strictly for their benefit

And if you think Arabs are too dumb to govern themselves or decide what they want then where have you been the last 2 years? Have you been completely oblivious to people in Tunisia, in Egypt, in Yemen etc. etc. who have been able to rise up against their corrupt governments, some of whom had the backing of the West - remember Mubarak, Hilary Clinton's "family friend"?

Originally Posted by lostalex

wrong, there is nothing wrong with taking them on 1 at a time. Where do you get this all or nothing mentality?

That's not what America/UK does though. We've left numerous long standing dictators in place, and unworried.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Taleban? Which war are you talking about here?

And your language is just pretty much that of Imperialists 100/200 years ago; these non-whites are too dumb to manage their own affairs, they need us to come and show them what to do, because really we've set such a good example haven't we? It's not like we funded the Taleban when it was the Soviets they were fighting, it's not like we've replaced their rule in Afghanistan, and Saddam's rule in Iraq, with a corrupt government, it's not like we've brought war and devastation to their countries is it? How about you don't be dumb enough to fall for the West = good, Middle east = bad, binary view of the world and think everything we're doing there is out of the goodness of our hearts and strictly for their benefit

And if you think Arabs are too dumb to govern themselves or decide what they want then where have you been the last 2 years? Have you been completely oblivious to people in Tunisia, in Egypt, in Yemen etc. etc. who have been able to rise up against their corrupt governments, some of whom had the backing of the West - remember Mubarak, Hilary Clinton's "family friend"?

the educational levels in the arab world are indisputable, has nothing to do with racism (especially considering our troops are of all races, and lead by a black man who is commander in cheif!) The facts are the facts, these are ignorant and uneducated people. You can try to make it a racism issue all you like, that doesn't change the facts that the people in afghanistan have an 8 y/o's educational level.

[King Gizzard]

Second time something like this has happened isn't it? Foam pie-gate and now this..

It's almost like they want it to happen

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Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

That's not what America/UK does though. We've left numerous long standing dictators in place, and unworried.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

That's not what America/UK does though. We've left numerous long standing dictators in place, and unworried.

all dictators are not equal. You have a very black or white mentality. Each country and culture and dictator is unique.

Originally Posted by lostalex

over reacted? no. i think we(America) were incredibly restrained. remember that 9/11 was not the first attack, thhey first attacked the World Trade Center in 1993, and we tried a measured response.

And what did we get for our restrained response in 1993 attack on the wtc?? we got 9/11 8 years later.

You cannot say America over-reacted.

We tried diplomacy and small response after the 1993 attack on the WTC, and what we got in response to our restraint was 9/11.

IMO our response to 9/11 was still very restrained. Most Americans would have been happy to see the entire middle east nuked.

I think you massively over-reacted (as did we). 3000 dead on 9/11 haven't been brought back to life because of our invasions, you've lost more people.

The correct approach would have been Obama's policy of planning raids on specific targets, not just full on invasion. It just doesn't make any sense at all.

The fact you say most Americans would be happy to nuke the middle east, just confirms what we already knew about most Americans. If you have a couple of mice in your house, you don't blow your whole house up.......just to be sure.

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Originally Posted by lostalex

the educational levels in the arab world are indisputable, has nothing to do with racism (especially considering our troops are of all races, and lead by a black man who is commander in cheif!) The facts are the facts, these are ignorant and uneducated people. You can try to make it a racism issue all you like, that doesn't change the facts that the people in afghanistan have an 8 y/o's educational level.

And we've improved things for them, by forcing Afghans to choose between the Taleban and the corrupt Karzai government?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

you do realize how hypocritical you seem right? one minute you are complaining about the coalition/NATO invading countries controlled by dictators, and the next minute you are talking about how we should invade all of the other countries controlled by dictators? Ridiculing leaders for posing with dictators when they are trying to make diplomatic peaceful changes??

So which is it? If Hillary Clinton goes to Cuba and hugs a Castro, will you praise her for trying to be diplomatic? or condemn her for supporting a fascist dictatorship?

You seem to pick and choose who you praise and condemn based only on yur own political agenda against the Western leaders.

Aka, anything a western leader does = bad.