Politics talk, who was right?

[Sophiee]

deana, no question.

[Sophiee]

Originally Posted by InOne

Deana clearly. But Deana was being very passive agressive and almost reveling in the fact Sara was struggling.

I actually agree with this.

[Colbert-Bump]

Sara is one of those people who likes to pretend to people that they are quite bright.

[AshesonMars]

Deana. I do like Sara, but I thought it was ridiculous that she bit off Deana's head for asking her a question. I think Deana was genuinely interested. She should have dropped it though as it only exasperated the situation further.

[Jords]

Deana

But the whole thing was annoying.

[WCR1942]

Blackeye
BB1 had the no nomination-talk rule.
So much so that Nick Bateman tried to get round it by writing on slips of paper.
He was ejected for his sins (cf Conor's treatment in this series).

[WCR1942]

Asheson Mars
The word you are looking for is exacerbate.

[lostalex]

Deana 100%, if you are gonna have an opinion you need to be able to back it up.

I can't stand people like Sara that have an opinion, but the minute you question them about it, they fall apart and act as if you are attacking them. It's pathetic.

[lostalex]

The thing about it, i couldn't tell if Sara was just embarassed because she has very right wing views, and she didn't want to expose her views because she thought she'd be judged?? or did she just not know what she was talking about, and was embarrassed because she is not very well informed?

I'm not sure which is worse.

I almost got the impression that she has very right wing views and she just didn't want to be attacked for being right wing.

[ozzyshaggah]

unfortunately sara has gone to a gun fight armed only with a knife and we all now hows thats gonna end

[Jack_]

She's probably a raging BNP supporter.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Jack_

She's probably a raging BNP supporter.

that's the impression i got. Sh'es probably an EDL supporter even though she's Scottish LOL she does love the Queen.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by lostalex

that's the impression i got. Sh'es probably an EDL supporter even though she's Scottish LOL she does love the Queen.

Have to say I was surprised hearing a Scot saying they voted Conservative. I do find it quite amusing that it was only the other day she was crying over how she thinks the government aren't doing enough to get poor/homeless people off the streets yet then goes and admits she voted Tory...the irony...

[glasstangerine]

My ex had a similar "debate" style to Deana. If I started to get upset he would over explain himself, and sometimes repeat himself over and over because he thought if I just understood what he was REALLY saying then I wouldn't be upset anymore. I don't think she understood that Sara knew exactly what she was talking about, but didn't want to be called out on any controversial beliefs.

They are both flawed people, it's called being human. Sara doesn't realize that people can't read her mind and that someone shouldn't stop talking just because she's upset and Deana doesn't realize that Sara was upset because she didn't want to talk about something for fear of being revealed and it had nothing to do with understanding or misunderstanding.

I don't know why everyone thinks that Deana is so omnipotent and manipulative. It might be plain to most of us what was really going on with Sara but I think Deana is use to being able to reason with people. Especially if she grew up with parents who expected her to talk reasonably instead of whine, cry, freak out etc. while Sara grew up with a Mom who backs down instantly and completely refuses to do anything controversial as soon as she sees someone is upset ( see BOTS call about Scott. )
If you listen to Deana's conversations about difficult situations it is clear she was taught to be tough and strong and reasonable, not someone who stops thinking because something is heated.

I understand both sides but I am with Deana on this one. She didn't do anything wrong and Sara has no right to be upset with her, it's not Deana's job to keep Sara happy when she starts having a temper tantrum.

[the truth]

both idiots for different reasons, both lost.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by glasstangerine

My ex had a similar "debate" style to Deana. If I started to get upset he would over explain himself, and sometimes repeat himself over and over because he thought if I just understood what he was REALLY saying then I wouldn't be upset anymore. I don't think she understood that Sara knew exactly what she was talking about, but didn't want to be called out on any controversial beliefs.

They are both flawed people, it's called being human. Sara doesn't realize that people can't read her mind and that someone shouldn't stop talking just because she's upset and Deana doesn't realize that Sara was upset because she didn't want to talk about something for fear of being revealed and it had nothing to do with understanding or misunderstanding.

I don't know why everyone thinks that Deana is so omnipotent and manipulative. It might be plain to most of us what was really going on with Sara but I think Deana is use to being able to reason with people. Especially if she grew up with parents who expected her to talk reasonably instead of whine, cry, freak out etc. while Sara grew up with a Mom who backs down instantly and completely refuses to do anything controversial as soon as she sees someone is upset ( see BOTS call about Scott. )
If you listen to Deana's conversations about difficult situations it is clear she was taught to be tough and strong and reasonable, not someone who stops thinking because something is heated.

I understand both sides but I am with Deana on this one. She didn't do anything wrong and Sara has no right to be upset with her, it's not Deana's job to keep Sara happy when she starts having a temper tantrum.

in short they both behaved like idiots , again

[optimisticcynic]

If I was trapped in a house for months with someone who repeatedly got on their podium, spouted hot air and had no depth to their conversation for hours at a time, I'd get annoyed too. And to top each monologue off with a wee drunken cry, each evening would be the final straw. Therein lies the difference between the outsiders and the insiders. The insiders lack the maturity or resilience to question, challenge and be questioned and challenged as a means of increasing understanding or effecting change, and thus fall into a lemming-like pack mentality, where the unquestioningly adopt the opinion of the nearest living organism. The outsiders constantly question and challenge each other and have become closer as a result, whilst being aware and accepting of each others' flaws.
Hence, Sara ran back to the insiders last night and had a wee bitch with Ashleigh.

[Donovan81996]

Sara did the same with Caroline when she kept asking her to explain herself, so I don't really understand why she was so surprised that this could be done to her. Sure circumstances were a little different, but if somebody doesn't want to talk about something then you shouldn't keep picking at them.

[jbtrash]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I am in a big minority here but I would have sided with Sara, for 2 reasons, the first being that she said she watched politics,that doesn't mean however she has a great understanding of all the parties stand for, so for Deana to keep pushing her when she said she didn't want to get into depth on it was in my view wrong of Deana.

Secondly,it may have been that Sara realised Deana likely could have a good knowledge of politics so that was the reason she didn't want to go into things too much because she knew she hadn't the in depth knowledge.

On Deana's side of course, she probably only wanted to try to understand why Sara had voted the way she had, what was the things that made her decide to vote Conservative.
If someone though says,they don't want to discuss too deeply a subject then others should respect that.

Good points, I think Deena was correct to ask her question because that's the whole point of a discussion. Sara should not have responded the way she did because it only left people with the impression that she had no clue. See Sara is very opinionated and she has been very hard over her beliefs about the queen and nobody in the house dared mention anti royal views because of the aggressiveness of her passion. This time she was challenged about a view and she totally broke down. I almost fell over when Ashleigh agreed with Deena, such a shame that a few others like Adam had not expressed their views, might have helped Sara think of an answer.

[Niamh.]

Deana. The thing I don't like about Sara is she likes to speak very loudly at people but doesn't like to hear anyone elses opinion or be asked any questions about her own opinion and when either of those things happen she gets all defensive and accuses the other person of trying to start an argument. Even Ashleigh who doesn't like Deana took Deanas side (eventhough she still bitched along with Sara after the fact)

Another thing I dislike about Sara is, she's accused Deana of not being loyal or sticking up for her but anytime herself and Deana have an argument, the first thing she does is run off to the people who dislike Deana and have a bitch about her, that's not what a "loyal" friend does. That's just plain nastiness.

[HBB1508]

Having now seen it, it pains me to side with Deana - she really didn't do anything wrong she was just asking a question and it seemed to me that Sara went off on one for no real reason. It's a free country we can vote for who we want to so I don't know why Sara was being so coy about it - she came across as very silly imo. I can't say that I particularly like either of them but Sara came off the worse in the debate I think.

[optimisticcynic]

It's never a discussion with Sarah where the three facets of her style of interaction are volume, repetition and tears.

[Kizzy]

Deana beyond a shadow of a doubt, she thought for a second ther might be the chance of an intelligent conversation....Bless her

[GiRTh]

Neither. Sara doesnt know whats she's talking about and Deana clearly tried to humiliate her. Both as bad as each other

[joeysteele]

I have talked about politics a lot to people who will talk about politics generally but not get into how they vote are want to delve too deeply into why they voted a certian way or hold the views they have.
At present, I find very few people who will even admit to voting Liberal Democrat for instance but still hold strong views on politics.
I personally wouldn't press them on that as much as Deana did with Sara, as I said she was likely just trying to understand why Sara had those views or came to get them but once Sara said she didn't want to go into that, Deana should have held back.

She should also know too that to get some logic from Sara is a pretty hard thing to achieve anyway.