[Liberty4eva]

Well...?

[lostalex]

NO. If Big Brother as a GAME is meant to have the winner chosen by the majority of the jury, then no, obviously she did not win, because the majority of the Jury wanted Gary to win.

Jillian was not chosen as the winner by the majority of the jury therefore she did not win the game of Big Brother.

She won the Prizes, but she did not win the GAME of Big Brother.

[rk3388]

Originally Posted by lostalex

NO. If Big Brother as a GAME is meant to have the winner chosen by the majority of the jury, then no, obviously she did not win, because the majority of the Jury wanted Gary to win.

Jillian was not chosen as the winner by the majority of the jury therefore she did not win the game of Big Brother.

She won the Prizes, but she did not win the GAME of Big Brother.

x2, maybe it would be fair if jillian kept the prize but gary WON THE TITLE.

[Jack_]

Obviously not. It's Topaz's intention that counts, not her mistake.

[rk3388]

thats why they should pick the keys ahead of time. its probably nerve racking voting infront of the live crowd

[Macie Lightfoot]

It has nothing to do with Topaz being nervous. She was clearly so focused on getting one last zing in at Jillian that she subconsciously grabbed her key. Like, it's nothing to do with nerves or black voter suppression (seriously, what the **** @ this suggestion), just with Topaz being an idiot.

[Marc]

I don't agree with topaz being able to change her vote but I think Gary was always gonna win. Even against Emmett. (All of Jill's votes would've gone to Emmett minus Andrew's)

So Jillian winning, despite being the most unlikely to win in the final 3 was a bit weird

[reece(:]

/dead at black voter suppression.

[SoBig]

Nah. Gary won. Topaz ********** up big time.

If I "won" like that no way I would've kept the title. Would've handed it over to Gary.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by SoBig

Nah. Gary won. Topaz ********** big time.

If I "won" like that no way I would've kept the title. Would've handed it over to Gary.

That would be the honorable thing to do.

[Brekkie]

Jillian won. Topaz failed to grasp the simplest of rules and Big Brother remained consistent in enforcing them throughout the series.

[mkbb]

Im sorry i dont get this Topaz voted for Jillian to win. She locked her key in the box just like everyone else. To have changed anything would have devalued the other votes. The intention is invalid as only Topaz knows what her intention was. The point of the vote is to objectify a jury memebers views. Jillian won 150% fair and square . I can guarantee in a scenerio that Emmett accidentally voted for Gary costing Jillian the win this is what the majority of people would be saying infact they would be celebrating his stupidity but no in this case its all evil Villians fault. And before anyone says anything I didtn even like Jillian so im not biased just fair.

[lostalex]

i understand what you are saying mkbb, but if the entire game is based on winning over people's votes, the idea that a simple mistake like that can screw up 3 months worth of work, is pretty ridiculous.

The point of the game is to win votes, but if the voting system is not clear and people don't even understand how to vote, it basically makes all of that work to win people's votes pointless.

Winning loses all meaning if you can win based on a simple mistake like this.

This degrades the game as a whole.

[Brekkie]

It's no different though to getting to the final three then not following a simple rule in the HoH comp - keep hold of your key. They don't restart the comp because someone let go without thinking about it - and that's happened a few times, most notably in BB All Stars which was supposed to be the best of the best but the seasons flagship endurance comp was over by the end of the live show just minutes after it started.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Brekkie

It's no different though to getting to the final three then not following a simple rule in the HoH comp - keep hold of your key. They don't restart the comp because someone let go without thinking about it - and that's happened a few times, most notably in BB All Stars which was supposed to be the best of the best but the seasons flagship endurance comp was over by the end of the live show just minutes after it started.

but the 2 keys looked almost identical and Topaz didn't have her glasses on. Why would they make it so difficult?

I agree with the person above who said that they should have to write their votes on a piece of paper, then there would be no confusion.

[lostalex]

Does anyone else remember the guinea pigs siblings question?

[Donovan.]

^ you don't need HoHs to win Big Brother, but you do need jury votes to win; thats not really a fair comparison.

[zakman440]

Simple answer: no.

[Mokka]

Simply yes, Gary shouldn't have been sitting beside her in the first place. Just a case of the universe correcting itself, or karma, or what ever you want to call it.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Mokkajava

Simply yes, Gary shouldn't have been sitting beside her in the first place. Just a case of the universe correcting itself, or karma, or what ever you want to call it.

So you think Jillian would have still won if she was sitting next to Emmett?

[starry]

Yes she won. I'm pleased she did too. Gary is so annoying and the usual bitter jury is just another drawback of the American format.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by lostalex

i understand what you are saying mkbb, but if the entire game is based on winning over people's votes, the idea that a simple mistake like that can screw up 3 months worth of work, is pretty ridiculous.

The point of the game is to win votes, but if the voting system is not clear and people don't even understand how to vote, it basically makes all of that work to win people's votes pointless.

Winning loses all meaning if you can win based on a simple mistake like this.

This degrades the game as a whole.

The keys clearly said GARY and JILLIAN. Topaz was so concerned with trying to get a clever zing at Jillian that she picked up her key without knowing. That has nothing to do with the voting system not being clear or Topaz not understanding how to vote. She ****ed up and if anything, SHE degraded the game as a whole, not the producers.

Originally Posted by lostalex

but the 2 keys looked almost identical and Topaz didn't have her glasses on. Why would they make it so difficult?

I agree with the person above who said that they should have to write their votes on a piece of paper, then there would be no confusion.

They clearly say GARY and JILLIAN it's not their job to account for whether or not Topaz's contacts are in or whether or not she's paying attention to which key she's grabbing. It's only her fault, the producers handled it fine.

Originally Posted by starry

Yes she won. I'm pleased she did too. Gary is so annoying and the usual bitter jury is just another drawback of the American format.

Uh bitter juries are completely fair and part of the game that you have to anticipate. They're kind of essential.

[Brekkie]

Originally Posted by lostalex

but the 2 keys looked almost identical and Topaz didn't have her glasses on. Why would they make it so difficult?

I agree with the person above who said that they should have to write their votes on a piece of paper, then there would be no confusion.

Topaz knew she had to make a vote that night and it was her responsibility to have her glasses if she needed them - though the size of the writing on the keys suggests she wouldn't. It's hard to see in video but I've seen a couple of screenshots now which shows they're as clear as anything.

[Patrick]

Yes. Yes. Yes.

Topaz was an absolute dick from Day 1 anyway - so watching her royally mess up the whole thing at the end was so hilarious for me.

Plus, I liked Gary at the very start of the show, but since he got his second chance (which he shouldn't of even been offered) - he just sat around crying his balls off about how he's a rolemodel for little homosexual Canadian boys, and that he got bullied in school.

Typical X Factor style sobstory - only done inside a Big Brother House. The guy is a joke.

Emmett or Jillian, the only two people who really deserved to win. So I'm over the moon Jillian did.

[Patrick]

Oh and can we all take a moment to remember Andrew, Talla and Emmett's reactions when Topaz ******ed it all up?