[Pink Pegasus]

Originally Posted by Scream

Charlie's Nan dying didn't have anything to do with the conversation? Just because the convo was about Charlie doesn't mean Jackie needed to bring up that. People just don't like Jemima, that's all it is.

Jackie was talking about some of the things Charlie had been through and the granny dying in Charlie's arms was one of those things.
Jemima replied by screaming, "my daughter died!", "my daughter died in my arms!" and kept repeating it.
And yes, sure I can't prove it unless Jemima admitted it, but imo I think it was blatantly obvious that she only started screaming about that to make her own story sound more traumatic compared to Charlie's.

[Indy]

Originally Posted by JTM45

You CANNOT!!!!!!
Death is permanent. You cannot die for a short period of time!

There is a state known as "clinical death", which means the heart and lung functions have ceased. It is medically induced during certain surgical procedures. It can occur during hypothermia - it is also a reason hypothermia is also used as a medical treatment, because the chance of permanent injury is reduced. Only with medical intervention is this state reversible, but it is reversible.

Considering no language has a single cut and dried definition of "life", it's a bit silly to be cocksure about death.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

You can be named 'clinically dead' and then revived so Jemima wasn't enitrely wrong, but the way she talked about it gave the impression that her daughter had completely passed away

Yeah exactly, I don't know how Jackie stayed so calm either, I would have slapped her if she was banging on about my daughter like that

[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah exactly, I don't know how Jackie stayed so calm either, I would have slapped her if she was banging on about my daughter like that

hmm I'm not convinced that would be the best thing for Charlie, on the one hand we're all supposed to be up in arms because Hazel was offended and shown on national TV that she may or may not have had some involvement in a suicide, yet when Charlie's life and medical history are splashed all over our screens, we are supposed to think it's all fine because it's her mother who does it..? I don't buy that.

[Jemal]

I reckon the house wil so go against the mother and daughter you know...

[Me. I Am Salman]

No way, Charlie is a bore and the bores stick together.

[anne666]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah exactly, I don't know how Jackie stayed so calm either, I would have slapped her if she was banging on about my daughter like that

LOL Oh dear what a carry on !!! One over- protective mother , not being listened to( apart from petty one upmanship purposes) and a self obsessed screeching ,drama queen, who was also clearly NOT ANNOYED by the noms LOL. It must have been pretty embarrassing for Charlie. She is 26 not a toddler. Jeremiah I think has now guaranteed her exit and if that was what they have had to put up with for over a week I am not surprised she is up for eviction.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

hmm I'm not convinced that would be the best thing for Charlie, on the one hand we're all supposed to be up in arms because Hazel was offended and shown on national TV that she may or may not have had some involvement in a suicide, yet when Charlie's life and medical history are splashed all over our screens, we are supposed to think it's all fine because it's her mother who does it..? I don't buy that.

I don't think "we're all supposed to be up in arms" about what Charlie said

[Kizzy]

If they took I out of the dictionary Jemima would have NOTHING to talk about.

[the truth]

what disturbed me most was all the women on little brother (or whatever its called these days) all seemed to think the womens behaviour was normal and ok here? is this how modern women are now? literally anything for attention and a chance to turn on the crocodile tears to garner sympathy and attention? and they say men are competitive? sorry I have NEVER EVER seen men have such a low level competiton as comparing whose had the worse family deaths on national telly,some of which that weren't even deaths?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

what disturbed me most was all the women on little brother (or whatever its called these days) all seemed to think the womens behaviour was normal and ok here? is this how modern women are now? literally anything for attention and a chance to turn on the crocodile tears to garner sympathy and attention? and they say men are competitive? sorry I have NEVER EVER seen men have such a low level competiton as comparing whose had the worse family deaths on national telly,some of which that weren't even deaths?

Oh For Gods sake, can you leave the sexism behind you for once please? It's getting really old now.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

what disturbed me most was all the women on little brother (or whatever its called these days) all seemed to think the womens behaviour was normal and ok here? is this how modern women are now? literally anything for attention and a chance to turn on the crocodile tears to garner sympathy and attention? and they say men are competitive? sorry I have NEVER EVER seen men have such a low level competiton as comparing whose had the worse family deaths on national telly,some of which that weren't even deaths?

Even this you make a sexist issue?....

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Even this you make a sexist issue?....

the behaviour of the women has made it an issue not me. Theyre a disgrace.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oh For Gods sake, can you leave the sexism behind you for once please? It's getting really old now.

Yes it is getting old lets hope these women can learn to behave better.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

Yes it is getting old lets hope these women can learn to behave better.

you really need to start looking at people as individuals and stop putting them in boxes according to their gender.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by the truth

what disturbed me most was all the women on little brother (or whatever its called these days) all seemed to think the womens behaviour was normal and ok here? is this how modern women are now? literally anything for attention and a chance to turn on the crocodile tears to garner sympathy and attention? and they say men are competitive? sorry I have NEVER EVER seen men have such a low level competiton as comparing whose had the worse family deaths on national telly,some of which that weren't even deaths?

..modern women..?..this is how some people behave, whether they are male or female..it's a reality TV show and they choose people who they think will create interest with their personalities regardless of their gender..sometimes the arguments/conflict is with females and sometimes it's equally with males...'modern males', I guess you would call them...

[fruit_cake]

this thread probably needs to get back on topic seems to me

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by the truth

what disturbed me most was all the women on little brother (or whatever its called these days) all seemed to think the womens behaviour was normal and ok here? is this how modern women are now? literally anything for attention and a chance to turn on the crocodile tears to garner sympathy and attention? and they say men are competitive? sorry I have NEVER EVER seen men have such a low level competiton as comparing whose had the worse family deaths on national telly,some of which that weren't even deaths?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by the truth

what disturbed me most was all the women on little brother (or whatever its called these days) all seemed to think the womens behaviour was normal and ok here? is this how modern women are now? literally anything for attention and a chance to turn on the crocodile tears to garner sympathy and attention? and they say men are competitive? sorry I have NEVER EVER seen men have such a low level competiton as comparing whose had the worse family deaths on national telly,some of which that weren't even deaths?

..oh, I should also say that I've never heard females 'scoring points' over a death either on TV or in real life either...it's not that it's a specific female thing it was just a situation that escalated for whatever reason and had nothing to do with gender...I've also never known a female use a freezer as a toilet on TV either as Jay did..bad behaviour is not gender specific...

[aman201]

I loved when Dan screamed "SHES NOT DEAD THOUGH, SHES ALIVE"

Great tv.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by anon01

I loved when Dan screamed "SHES NOT DEAD THOUGH, SHES ALIVE"

Great tv.

He was so right.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Scream

Charlie's Nan dying didn't have anything to do with the conversation? Just because the convo was about Charlie doesn't mean Jackie needed to bring up that. People just don't like Jemima, that's all it is.

No. Jemima was having digs at Charlie to try and get a reaction. Jackie just responded to explain that Charlie is a bit immature/naive for her age and doesn't think before she speaks, and is only now going through her "growing up phase" or whatever. The nan dying comment was just that a passing comment to illustrate some of the things that has caused that.

Jemima then turns it around into who's been through the most in their life, when that wasn't what the conversation was about. Jackie wasn't sat there saying Charlie has gone through the most out of everyone in the house, or that she is the most damaged person in the world. She was simply trying to explain this one individual's behaviour, in this one incident because this person who it didn't have anything to do with was flapping her gums.

Jemima was spoiling for some kind of argument because she said she'd do anything to stay in the house and the Charlie/Hazel thing was the current topic. Then exposed her true intentions when it suddenly became all about herself. Give the girl her own spotlight.

[thom_bombadil]

Originally Posted by fingers

That is not death.

It's not 'death', but if she stopped breathing she was technically dead.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by thom_bombadil

It's not 'death', but if she stopped breathing she was technically dead.

Technically, no she wasn't. Death occurs several minutes after you stop breathing and your heart stops beating. Her daughter was revived and therefore saved from death. She didn't die.

The closest you could call it is a "near death" incident, but that doesn't translate to "MY DAUGHTER DIED".

[Razor]

Jemima is a stupid self centred cow and needs a reality check.