[Ammi]

..I don't think Daley's quite forgiven Hazel for not tearing the diary room doors down and begging BB to let him stay but what he's missing is that it was BB and the public that deemed his actions as disturbing and threatening and the 'blame' he thinks is there doesn't even lie with Hazel at all..I can't believe in anyone's world it can be acceptable to put your hands on someone's throat and talk about 'nutting' them and the fact that he's had time to reflect and still shows no responsibility for his actions is also very disturbing indeed...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I don't think Daley's quite forgiven Hazel for not tearing the diary room doors down and begging BB to let him stay but what he's missing is that it was BB and the public that deemed his actions as disturbing and threatening and the 'blame' he thinks is there doesn't even lie with Hazel at all..I can't believe in anyone's world it can be acceptable to put your hands on someone's throat and talk about 'nutting' them and the fact that he's had time to reflect and still shows no responsibility for his actions is also very disturbing indeed...

Yes, well it was becoming clear even before that night that Daley was an extremely controlling person, the whole make up conversation was weird and uncomfortable to watch also. I dread to think what he's like behind closed doors tbh

[Marsh.]

What happened to the whimpering little victim we had on BOTS?

[megamaja40]

the whimpering little victim didn't shed a tear that night!

[Jamie585]

I can understand what Charlie meant, however, she didn't expain it well at all. Bless her. Hazel was therefore in the right, as much as i love Charlie.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

What happened to the whimpering little victim we had on BOTS?

..it makes me think that was how he was told to behave for damage limitations but he's obviously so unpleasant, he can't keep that up even for his public image..?...

[Tom4784]

I feel sorry for any woman that has a relationship with Daley, he's a psycho that will undoubtedly hit the news eventually for beating up a future girlfriend.

He has issues and he is constantly blaming them on innocent parties instead of tackling them. He is scum.

[armand.kay]

Daley girlfriend had a lucky escape tbh.

[armand.kay]

Hopefully hazel isn't one of those people who take online comments so seriously.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

Daley girlfriend had a lucky escape tbh.

She's probably back with him, she did accompany him to that interview on BOTS

[Rawrbear]

All this over a cucumber? and they want to shoot Hazel? Haha. Oh dear what losers.

And Daley. What a idiot.

[GiRTh]

This is getting out of hand IMO. BB chose their victim but the public attitude to Hazel is absolutely disgusting. I cant take BB seriously anymore.

[armand.kay]

And Tbh I believed daley's apology but if he was truly sorry he wouldn't be commenting on this and always wanting to defend himself.

[CaudleHalbard]

Fully expect to see a "reconciliation" between Daley and Hazel after she's evicted. May even get Katie in in the act.

Obviously with magazine reps and photographers present! It is to their mutual financial benefit.

[Chuckyegg]

None of this is true I bet my life on it.

[CaudleHalbard]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

And Tbh I believed daley's apology but if he was truly sorry he wouldn't be commenting on this and always wanting to defend himself.

Daley's apology was not to Hazel, it was to any women "if" they were offended.

He pretty clearly believes he has done nothing wrong whatsoever.

[rionablue]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Daley crossed a line that took away anything that may have been playful,fun or anything of no sinister nature once he started laying hands on Hazel and also verbally threatening her.
The words,''I'll finish you'' and 'I'll nut you'' said with drink too, made this a dangerous situation completely, outside the house if seen,he would have been arrested for assault so he got off lightly.
He got off even easier with the treatment he has got from bbbots with Emma while Emma has allowed character assassination of Hazel to go on night after night.
He got ejected and rightly from the show in my view.

It is really sad to see such awful people making these threats to a woman they don't know personally, people like that should never be allowed to even use the service in my view.
As to the cucumber incident, aiming anything at anyones eyes could be dangerous especially with drink invovled.
Hazel did say Charlie hod got aggressive but in the diary room to BB she also said there was nothing malicious in what Charlie had done.

Charlie was totally wrong to even mention Daley's name and without having had so much to drink likely would not have.
In both instances at the time they occurred Hazel did little wrong and the other person did great wrong,yet Hazel is the hate figure.
To me that is as ridiculous as it is unbelievable.

In both instances, had Daley really hurt Hazel or had Charlie damaged her eye,both would have pleaded defence of being under the influence of drink.
If you cannot hold your drink and it can make you act in the way these 2 have then there is a simple answer, stick to soft drinks and grow up.

Brilliant post joeysteele

[Yayita]

Ive been on holiday for the last 2 weeks and have missed a lot!!!! I have a lot of catching up to do!

[Withano]

I think people just hold the logic of 'the more shocking and controversial I am, the more followers I get' Its sad.

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by calderyon

Read more: http://tellymix.co.uk/reality-tv/big...#ixzz2aOmXU3ei

Im sorry but the title of this thread is just too funny

I dislike Hazel but the twittersphere is mad lol

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

This is getting out of hand IMO. BB chose their victim but the public attitude to Hazel is absolutely disgusting. I cant take BB seriously anymore.

I wouldnt worry about it, you know Im no Hazel fan but twitter is full of very stupid people who wouldnt be able to write anything if it had to be whole proper sentences

Dont like her but death threats are ridiculous

[WozMan]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..hmm, yeah, maybe the racist thing was a bad analogy...and I understand what you're trying to say but the difference here is that those two people involved didn't really know each other well enough to know or presume to understand any sexual preferences/banter etc...and as you say they had both been drinking and things can get a bit silly when that happens but even if as you said, Hazel was a willing participant at the beginning..thinking it was all fun and a game..?...she didn't know how far Daley would go...she would presume that she was 'playing a game' with someone who has average boundaries, which would be a safe assumption, especially with so many cameras etc..but Daley overstepped the mark considerably and became threatening and quite openly so by holding her throat and talking about nutting her..

I know it's old hat but a lot of people forget that they are living in each others pockets for weeks without end. They sleep in the same room, eat in the same room etc. They experience each other at every point in their daily life cycles and ONLY each other (the housemates) UNINTERRUPTED for weeks. Thier entire world becomes just a few people whereas in the real world we can have hundreds if not thousands of different people weaving in and out of our lives.

I believe the majority of what we saw that night was Hazel and Daley testing each other's boundaries and feeling out what was acceptable foreplay. e.g. Hazel pulling down Daley's boxers and Daley asking Hazel if she wanted him to 'go nuts' Hazel said yeah, do it, go for it etc. Also, before he put his hand on her throat she said 'it's ok, I'm not afraid of aggressive men'

Originally Posted by Ammi

don't you think that the 'average' person would find that extremely intimidating and aggressive and if you felt it was in any way acceptable in 'foreplay' you would have to know someone extremely well to know that...

I completely agree that the average person would find that extremely intimidating and aggressive. I partly agree that for SOME people if you felt it was in any way acceptable in 'foreplay' you would have to know each other extremely well. I believe this is true for some people but not for others.

I am no saint and have had one night stands in my time, some of them kinkier than others. I think it depends on a lot of factors such as how comfortable both parties are with their sexuality, their bodies and their identities. It depends on how socially skilled both parties are and how well they read body language and understand the opposite sex etc. It also depends say on how horny the girl is and how determined she is to get her preferred type of foreplay, which would have been the case with Hazel IMHO.

Originally Posted by Ammi

it's particularly disturbing behaviour that he would do that in front of 'the nation' as well....

I think that all that drink and the immediate situation of potential sex with a hot girl he had been flirting with for ages took over. I believe he was just very horny and completely thinking with 'little Daley'. The same for Hazel.

Originally Posted by Ammi

..but to me, she did look very concerned and frightened when she sat in the chair after he'd been called into the diary room..

...anyway yes...enjoy your sleep, it's been interesting hearing your views...

To me this said it was the calling to the diary room that upset her. My read is that she was snapped back to the fact that this was, in fact, in front of 'the nation'. That she was frightened more so of the consequences to her reputation and career than anything Daley might do to her. That's my read.

[boomoo]

Originally Posted by swinearefine

Absolutely disgusting. There's no way Hazel was at all in the wrong in the argument but it's to be expected that twitter trash will hate her for anything she does. I feel awful for her, it's ridiculous the amount of **** she gets.

Well she is extremely good looking with a lovely figure so that is half the population annoyed before she even opens her mouth.

She never accused Charlie of anything when she was in BB diary room.
All Charlie was thinking about was herself. Never mind that she did genuinely hurt Hazel's eye. Bringing Daley into the convo was disgraceful.

You are right to say that Hazel did anything wrong but that wont change people's minds.

[boomoo]

Originally Posted by WozMan

My initial read of the situation when I watched it was, as Rylan said, that it was 'banter' or messing around where neither party thought it was serious and both parties felt safe. After Daley got ejected I watched the live feed start to finish and rewatched the main show where he puts his hand on her throat etc. I rewatched the minutes leading up to Daley going to the diary room 2 or 3 three times. I carefully looked for any sign that Hazel was in fact in any physical or pschological danger. I looked for any sign that Hazel FELT threatened by Daley's actions. I found NO indications of discomfort from Hazel until AFTER BB called Daley to the DR and she withdrew to a chair.


I know Daley had a bit of a temper and his actions would be very frightening to most people in the run up to his ejection. I know he was drunk and annoyed at Hazel when her chatting with Charlie kept him up. I also know Hazel was flirting with him outrageously and enjoying getting a reaction out of him. As I said my read was and still is that it was banter/flirting and no one was in any danger. I've been in a few fights and walked away from a TON of them. I know when someone is seriously threatening me and when it is just banter.

Are you a woman? Do you have experience of someone pinning you down and putting their arm across your throat and then being promised a head butt?
If this behaviour is normal in your world it is not normal in law.
Daley was evicted because BB was broadcasting to an audience and they have to show that there are consequences for such behaviour.
I would have preferred it if both Hazel and Daley had been evicted. This might have educated some but not all women to take more care.

[WozMan]

Originally Posted by boomoo

Are you a woman? Do you have experience of someone pinning you down and putting their arm across your throat and then being promised a head butt?
If this behaviour is normal in your world it is not normal in law.
Daley was evicted because BB was broadcasting to an audience and they have to show that there are consequences for such behaviour.
I would have preferred it if both Hazel and Daley had been evicted. This might have educated some but not all women to take more care.

My name is WozMan.
Yes I have been pinned down, had someone's hands on my throat, actually been headbutted as well as being physically threatened.

Each instance stands on its own indivdual merits with PERCIEVED INTENT and SENSE OF CONTROL being huge factors in how I felt about the situation.