[james130]

Originally Posted by Jack_

No, you are right. Paedophiles need some kind of rehabilitation, but the problem is I don't really believe you can cure someone of being sexually attracted to children. That's akin to saying you can cure people of being gay, which we all know isn't true. The thing I think is perhaps possible to change is people's likelihood of actually acting on their urges and sexually attacking someone. And that goes for all sex offenders, not just those who abuse children.

You've got to have some mental disorder to actually rape someone IMO, and that worsens if it's a child. I also think the same largely for murder too but that's a different debate.

The problem we have is that people see the word 'paedophile' and start screaming and wailing assuming it's about someone that has actually abused a child, when that's not the case at all. There are plenty of paedophiles that I'm sure wish they could be attracted to adults much like the majority of the population, and would never dream of acting on any of their urges. It's these people I actually feel sorry for, because having to live a life of abstinence because your attraction is perverse must be incredibly difficult to deal with, both physically and emotionally. I think if we had a more open approach to this and encouraged those who felt they had perverse and potentially dangerous attractions to speak out and seek help, we could possibly prevent some actual sex offences on minors from happening, but raising this issue and wanting to discuss it makes you look like a bit of a weirdo and so it's unlikely to ever happen.

I agree with all of this completely. Like you said, it's similar to homosexuality in the fact that a lot of people can't help their feelings and would much rather be heterosexual. Many lesbians and gay men never act on their emotions for fear of persecution. So it is similar in that sense.

His acts seem incredibly depraved, yet in some countries, this would be considered 'common-place'. Obviously not to such an extent but take for instance the 8 year old who got married to the 61 year old in South Africa. Similarly homosexuality is punishable by death in such countries.

I am not and will never condone what he has done in any sense but it is clear that he has been born with a chemical in-balance in his brain and can we blame him for that?
I'm not sure. I just find the whole debate quite interesting.

What we can blame him for is acting upon that urge. Yet I feel the mothers as facilitators to this are much more to blame.

[Lee.]

I honestly don't give a **** whether it's a mental imbalance or not.. Acting upon it is evil and wrong and they ****ing well know it.

I genuinely wish nothing but badness and despair on him for the rest if his sorry life.

I can't even bring myself to enter into discussion regarding the "mothers"

[Jack_]

The drug-crazed former lead singer with multi-million selling band Lostprophets plotted the abuse with two mothers in a series of text and internet messages in which he spoke of his desire for "a summer of filthy child porn".

On another occasion he described wanting to "cross the line" and to intoxicate one of his victims by blowing crystal-meth smoke into the child's face.

Mr Clee read aloud to the court a series of text and internet messages between Watkins and two female co-defendants.

Watkins and Woman A swapped messages where the frontman spoke of his sick desire to "make him mine" and to "cross the line".

And on March 23, Watkins sent the woman a message saying he wanted a "summer of filthy child porn" and how he wanted to take things "to the next level".

Mr Clee also gave details of a sickening 17-minute video involving Watkins and Woman A.

Mr Clee said camcorder footage was shot in a London hotel room which showed Watkins perform a sex act on the child.

Computer analysts found the footage uploaded to an online storage facility.

Mr Clee said that following this meeting, the pair exchanged emails about how they would not go "easy" on the child next time.

Horrific

But you're not gonna believe this...

He also said that a laptop seized from Watkins's home was password protected and was later sent to GCHQ to have it "cracked."

When it eventually was the password was discovered to be "I*******kids."

...is this real life...

[Lee.]

It's just so horrible.. The whole thing!
Depravity at it's very worst!

[Scarlett.]

Jesus ****ing Christ, what the actual ****.

[james130]

Also found out that in 2010 he had an 'adultworks' escort profile.
Going under the name of 'Trent', images were uploaded of him giving a man 'oral sex' and 'inserting a baseball bat into his anus.
The images were all leaked online.

Probably should have clocked he was a weird one...

[Jords]

There is just absolute no understanding to it, disgusting.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Instagrram: caitlin_frain
Ian you silly man. I hate not seeing this face on my telly I will always be your fan sweetheart! If only you admit it you saved my life with your voice and i will always love you. Once this is all over and you get home(granted it might br 30 years) you can see these messages and realise not everyone hates you xx
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I don't know what I am doing on his instagram and twitter. I suppose I am looking for signs of what evil looks like. I am trying to process it but all that's happening is that I literally was about to throw up my tea and blueberry muffin looking at his face.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by james130

I agree with all of this completely. Like you said, it's similar to homosexuality in the fact that a lot of people can't help their feelings and would much rather be heterosexual. Many lesbians and gay men never act on their emotions for fear of persecution. So it is similar in that sense.

His acts seem incredibly depraved, yet in some countries, this would be considered 'common-place'. Obviously not to such an extent but take for instance the 8 year old who got married to the 61 year old in South Africa. Similarly homosexuality is punishable by death in such countries.

I am not and will never condone what he has done in any sense but it is clear that he has been born with a chemical in-balance in his brain and can we blame him for that?
I'm not sure. I just find the whole debate quite interesting.

What we can blame him for is acting upon that urge. Yet I feel the mothers as facilitators to this are much more to blame.

It's comparable in the sense that maybe these people can't control who they're attracted to, the major difference between the two is one is having a consenting relationship with another adult and the other is rape and abuse of an unwilling participant.

[Z]

This is just so appalling. I can't believe people were willingly letting him abuse their children!?!?!?

[james130]

Originally Posted by Zee

This is just so appalling. I can't believe people were willingly letting him abuse their children!?!?!?

Not just letting him, but partaking in incestuous rape also.

[Jake.]

This is beyond horrific, I honestly don't know who to be more shocked by.. Watkins or the mothers. I hope all three rot in hell, if only we had other means of punishment because prison simply isn't enough.

[Josy]

It sickens me that there are people like this in the world.

The police were supposedly told about him a few years ago

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...d-cops-2854744

[arista]

Originally Posted by Josy

It sickens me that there are people like this in the world.

The police were supposedly told about him a few years ago

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...d-cops-2854744

Yes some Police need to tell us why they left him alone

[james130]

Apparently the womens names were put on the courts website yesterday and are all over twitter.
I've yet to find them though.

But they need to be named and shamed. The child victims will already have new names no doubt, because of the leak.

[arista]

Originally Posted by james130

Apparently the womens names were put on the courts website yesterday and are all over twitter.
I've yet to find them though.

But they need to be named and shamed. The child victims will already have new names no doubt, because of the leak.

do not post them on here
its illegal to do that

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by james130

Apparently the womens names were put on the courts website yesterday and are all over twitter.
I've yet to find them though.

But they need to be named and shamed. The child victims will already have new names no doubt, because of the leak.

and sterlised

[james130]

Originally Posted by arista

do not post them on here
its illegal to do that

Obviously I wont.

[Z]

In defense of the police, they probably can't do very much if someone's coming in claiming that another person is a paedophile without any proof that they've committed a crime. Still... all the warning signs were there, shocking that this happened.

I've been reading that the rest of Lostprophets decided to call it a day because they couldn't carry on knowing what he did. Bit of a crap situation for them, I know that's not what this thread is about, but still.

[james130]

Originally Posted by Zee

In defense of the police, they probably can't do very much if someone's coming in claiming that another person is a paedophile without any proof that they've committed a crime. Still... all the warning signs were there, shocking that this happened.

I've been reading that the rest of Lostprophets decided to call the band a day because they couldn't carry on knowing what he did. Bit of a crap situation for them, I know that's not what this thread is about, but still.

Absolutely. Lots of abuse has been heading their way and people need to remember that the other five members of that band are victims too.
They probably thought that they'd always be known as a member of a reasonably good rock band and will now go down in history as being part of 'that paedo band'.
They can't continue to make music and so he has effectively ended the professional careers of five other people and tainted their life's work.

[mizzy25]

I read this yesterday and it sickened me to the bone. I actually cant believe someone is so evil to do that. What I think should happen to paedos is they should all have their dicks ripped off and something should be done to the mothers that helped then they should all be shipped off to somewhere fookin horrible and be left there to die a long slow painful death!

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by mizzy25

I read this yesterday and it sickened me to the bone. I actually cant believe someone is so evil to do that. What I think should happen to paedos is they should all have their dicks ripped off and something should be done to the mothers that helped then they should all be shipped off to somewhere fookin horrible and be left there to die a long slow painful death!

[Z]

Originally Posted by james130

Absolutely. Lots of abuse has been heading their way and people need to remember that the other five members of that band are victims too.
They probably thought that they'd always be known as a member of a reasonably good rock band and will now go down in history as being part of 'that paedo band'.
They can't continue to make music and so he has effectively ended the professional careers of five other people and tainted their life's work.

I know, I was reading some of the abuse the band was getting on their official Facebook page - people demanding that they turn their profits over to charity... one member of the band is a twisted paedophile, the other five are not as far as we're all aware, and they had nothing to do with his crimes.

[GiRTh]

Youtube video

Very spooky moment at 15.45. then a close up of Watkins. Its almost like a prophecy.

[Drew.]

jesus, i doubt he was up to anything bad back then though but it's still creepy