[Seanbon]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I thought she did anyway. I don't remember her exact words but I'm pretty sure she told him he should stop talking about it

In a half-hearted way,imo! She's a bit sneaky and manipulative,which is great in the Apprentice,not so much in BB.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I thought she did anyway. I don't remember her exact words but I'm pretty sure she told him he should stop talking about it

luissa created the entire situation then as usual played dumb and all innocent
shes lethally dangerous, in fact shes toxic

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Seanbon

I think Luisa made very little effort to stop him! She knew it would be controversial,and get her some airtime,so she put in a "You can't say that" and a "I'm not comfortable with this",or words to that effect. If she had told him to shut it,as every whisper of conversation is brought up and he'll get himself into trouble,that would have been a proper effort!?!

..I guess that in general their pairing seems quite awkward so maybe she was trying to do that but not really getting it right...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by the truth

luissa created the entire situation then as usual played dumb and all innocent
shes lethally dangerous, in fact shes toxic

..I don't understand how Luisa created the situation of him saying what he did..?...he has full responsibility for that....

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

luissa created the entire situation then as usual played dumb and all innocent
shes lethally dangerous, in fact shes toxic

I didn't know her from before CBB so I'm still trying to form an opinion on her

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Seanbon

In a half-hearted way,imo! She's a bit sneaky and manipulative,which is great in the Apprentice,not so much in BB.

Could be an interesting character though, sneaky and manipulative makes for good storylines

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

luissa created the entire situation then as usual played dumb and all innocent
shes lethally dangerous, in fact shes toxic

You are on form today Truth ,agree with this too ,she wanted that camera on her no matter what ,so instead of stopping the convo stone dead ,she strung it along ,also knowing Evander is a very religious man,he could well have strong views on gay sex ,and she started the talk maybe to set him up, not my type of person

[Seanbon]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I guess that in general their pairing seems quite awkward so maybe she was trying to do that but not really getting it right...

If you haven't seen the last series of The Apprentice,you should check it out! She's very manipulative,and good at playing innocent when it suits,which is ideal for the murky world of big business,but she'll take a few Celebrities down in BB,if they don't know her game!?!

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Seanbon

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If you haven't seen the last series of The Apprentice,you should check it out! She's very manipulative,and good at playing innocent when it suits,which is ideal for the murky world of big business,but she'll take a few Celebrities down in BB,if they don't know her game!?!

as I said shes absolutely toxic

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by the truth

he didnt say its a handicap
also how would you like it if someone said youd been brainwashed to be gay? just as you say the Christian in the US seem to be brainwashed?
this works both ways

Being gay isn't a choice.

Being a Christian is.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Being gay isn't a choice.

Being a Christian is.

As i pointed out last night ,sometimes being gay is a choice

[the truth]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Being gay isn't a choice.

Being a Christian is.

again thats no less offensive that what evander said.
total judgemental assumptions stereotyping billions of people.
yet stereotyping and insulting groups of people is something you preach about/
totla hypocrisy
maybe its you whos been brainwashed?

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

You are on form today Truth ,agree with this too ,she wanted that camera on her no matter what ,so instead of stopping the convo stone dead ,she strung it along ,also knowing Evander is a very religious man,he could well have strong views on gay sex ,and she started the talk maybe to set him up, not my type of person

Why would she set him up If she thought it would offend the public and they are both facing eviction?

The house are under the impression they being evicted in pairs and that is why she was telling him to stop. I don't think she expected the answer he gave would be so homophobic.

[Jamesy]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes but its normal on TV or Forums

Fair point, can't disagree with you there. Although I do find "PC Britain" on TV very irritating. It gets to the point when shows like these aren't allowed to be natural. The constant warnings just make future contestants keep quiet and not express their views. I thought the who point of Big Brother is that it shows real people and different views.

Originally Posted by Ammi

..the thing I would say there though, Jamesy is that I personally know of youger Christians who are very good people in many ways but they do have specific views about homosexuality because of their religion, which they strongly belief..it isn't just an 'older' thing...

Oh yes, religion of course is a factor. I was speaking more generally of today's society, rather than accounting religion in my post.

I didn't realise Evander was religious (just had a quick look). Knowing that now I think it makes the 'warning' by Big Brother even more of a joke.

Originally Posted by Jack_

He wasn't warned. This misconception is annoying me now because the transcripts and clips are available for everyone to see.

He was merely reminded of the rules and that what he said could potentially be offensive to some viewers. It's the exact same conversation that his agent would have had with him if he could, because you can't say stuff like that on a national TV show in the UK. Not only do C5 have a brand to protect but it's social suicide, and hence such a reminder was to be expected and was also justified.

But he wasn't given any kind of official formal warning.

I just watched the clip again for clarification. While they did not air an 'official' warning as such - he was pretty much warned in effect. Big Brother may as well have said "don't air your own views on here if they are different to those of sensitive groups in the UK"... and then I lead back to my PC Britain comment further up.

I understand C5 are protecting their brand but if so why bother airing it in the first place? Other than getting an article in the Daily Mail it seems pretty pointless. If anything it's insulting religious people.

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Being gay isn't a choice.

Being a Christian is.

I'm sure a few people could challenge you against that. Sometimes it can be a choice. Religion can be just as strong as sexuality too. Both are complex things, some people are born gay, some people are born believing in god. That makes neither a choice or forced upon you.

[Jordan.]

Why are people so opposed to him being warned? he deserved it for his homophobic comments.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by the truth

again thats no less offensive that what evander said.
total judgemental assumptions stereotyping billions of people.
yet stereotyping and insulting groups of people is something you preach about/
totla hypocrisy
maybe its you whos been brainwashed?

Not at all I choose to be Christian, I did not choose to be gay.

How could I be brainwashed into being a homo if it was my choice hetro life would have been far easier for me.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

Why are people so opposed to him being warned? he deserved it for his homophobic comments.

I think daniels posts on this thread are far more discriminatory than anything evander said

[the truth]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Why would she set him up If she thought it would offend the public and they are both facing eviction?

The house are under the impression they being evicted in pairs and that is why she was telling him to stop. I don't think she expected the answer he gave would be so homophobic.

clearly youre naive to luissa
his answer wasnt homophobic. youre views however on here are discriminatory bordering on bigoted

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

clearly youre naive to luissa
his answer wasnt homophobic. youre views however on here are discriminatory bordering on bigoted

His answer was completely homophobic

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by the truth

clearly youre naive to luissa
his answer wasnt homophobic. youre views however on here are discriminatory bordering on bigoted

Saying being gay isn't normal and comparing it to a disablility is homophobic, and he was rightfully warned and exposed to the public

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

As i pointed out last night ,sometimes being gay is a choice

I hope you don't mind me asking but are you gay?

Unless you are a homosexual then im sorry you cannot make a valid point as you do not know how it is to be gay.

We have feeling for the same sex as you would for the opposite and that's a powerful thing, its something that cannot be changed or forgotten about. You can pretend but it will allways be there.

[Scream]

imo Luisa didn't try to set him up...I genuinely thinks she really liked him until up to now. A lot of people wouldn't have even told him to stop tbh...they would of just let him. At the end of the day, whether she was being sneaky or not...she still didn't entirely leave him to fall, she said many times to stop.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Not at all I choose to be Christian, I did not choose to be gay.

How could I be brainwashed into being a homo if it was my choice hetro life would have been far easier for me.

you arent a Christian and you cant speak for all Christians just as you cant speak for all gay people. youre stereotyping people far far more than evander holyfield

[Rob!]

The thing is he didn't even actually get a formal warning for it - BB just warned him that his language could be offensive. Compared to some of the warnings that housemates have got in the past...

[Jamesy]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Not at all I choose to be Christian, I did not choose to be gay.

How could I be brainwashed into being a homo if it was my choice hetro life would have been far easier for me.

I think you're looking at it in a very two-dimensional way. Clearly your sexuality came very 'natural' to you - so maybe you cannot understand that for a lot of sexes who are interested in the same sex it can often be far more complex than 'knowing' you are gay.