[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Jet,you sound as though you are WILLING Jim to lose his temper,Why??? It takes a bigger man to walk away

I agree. though he is within his right to complain to big brother about being bullied. he should have done this just as michael madsen should have after he was harassed and bullied and sexually discriminated against by denise welch a few years ago.. men you need to start complaining

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by jet

Hi Joey!
I agree with you that on many occasions just getting away for a walk puts a different perspective on things - but not if someone is holding long term anger and the person who they are angry with just keeps ignoring it, walking away, sniping back etc. - and CERTAINLY not if you are stuck in a house with them for weeks with nowhere else to go.

That is very true too,I agree, being stuck in the house is a problem in itself.

I cannot see these 2 ever sorting out the issue.
However and to be fair to him Jim has asked several times to talk to Linda alone and for her to really lay on the table why she hates him but she has refused every single time of him asking.

In that scenario, for me, him walking away and saying as little as possible is the best and likely only course of action.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

That is very true too,I agree, being stuck in the house is a problem in itself.

I cannot see these 2 ever sorting out the issue.
However and to be fair to him Jim has asked several times to talk to Linda alone and for her to really lay on the table why she hates him but she has refused every single time of him asking.

In that scenario, for me, him walking away and saying as little as possible is the best and likely only course of action.

agreed. she has always been the instigator, he has always been the peacemaker.

[jet]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Me rattled, never, I am 62 son. Ive had more experiences on the kazzi than you have had in your whole life. I am so cool calm and collected.

And I'm not a lot younger, with a lifetime of experience in my profession. I don't see you as all that calm and collected, sorry.

[jet]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

That is very true too,I agree, being stuck in the house is a problem in itself.

I cannot see these 2 ever sorting out the issue.
However and to be fair to him Jim has asked several times to talk to Linda alone and for her to really lay on the table why she hates him but she has refused every single time of him asking.

In that scenario, for me, him walking away and saying as little as possible is the best and likely only course of action.

I have never seen him asking her quietly when they were alone and not having a spat, but it's possible I missed it. If that happened then could you tell me the details?

[jet]

[QUOTE=Seraphim;6632016]Who says? I recently read an anger management book written by a prominent psychologist which advocated these very techniques for dealing with anger. It said that research has shown that bottling up rage does not lead to an explosion and that in fact the best way to handle it is to allow it to dissipate naturally.


Newly fangled nonsense.

[the truth]

[QUOTE=jet;6632178]

Originally Posted by Seraphim

Who says? I recently read an anger management book written by a prominent psychologist which advocated these very techniques for dealing with anger. It said that research has shown that bottling up rage does not lead to an explosion and that in fact the best way to handle it is to allow it to dissipate naturally.


Newly fangled nonsense.

agreed , its utter tripe. if everyone argued about every tiny little thing the nationa and world would be in 1000 times bigger mess than its already in. a bigger person has to often rise about petty difference. if only bitter twats like linda could

[jet]

Originally Posted by the truth

impossible. she is a vile bitter jealous boring bile filled woman. she also displays no humour, social intelligence, self awareness etc I doubt any person on earth could really get along with such a person, nor would they want to

You sound very angry. Go for a walk.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by jet

You sound very angry. Go for a walk.

thanks for caring

[Seraphim]

[QUOTE=the truth;6632184]

Originally Posted by jet

agreed , its utter tripe. if everyone argued about every tiny little thing the nationa and world would be in 1000 times bigger mess than its already in. a bigger person has to often rise about petty difference. if only bitter twats like linda could

You are being contradictory if you are agreeing with Jet. The book to which I was referring advocated a variety of techniques to deal with anger, but having an argument was not one of them.

[jet]

[QUOTE=Seraphim;6632277]

Originally Posted by the truth

You are being contradictory if you are agreeing with Jet. The book to which I was referring advocated a variety of techniques to deal with anger, but having an argument was not one of them.

Where did I say having an argument was? Quote, please?

[Seraphim]

[QUOTE=jet;6632178]

Originally Posted by Seraphim

Who says? I recently read an anger management book written by a prominent psychologist which advocated these very techniques for dealing with anger. It said that research has shown that bottling up rage does not lead to an explosion and that in fact the best way to handle it is to allow it to dissipate naturally.


Newly fangled nonsense.

It made sense to me. I don't have big anger issues, but inevitably I have had to deal with people who have. I've found that trying to resolve matters just makes them worse. It's definitely better to simply remove oneself from a situation and give them time to cool off.

[Seraphim]

Originally Posted by the truth

I agree. though he is within his right to complain to big brother about being bullied. he should have done this just as michael madsen should have after he was harassed and bullied and sexually discriminated against by denise welch a few years ago.. men you need to start complaining

I wonder what the legal position would be in this type of situation.

Linda is being paid for her appearance, but is that the same thing as being an employee? If she has a legal employee status, then under normal employment laws, Jim would probably have a legitimate grievance with regard to the way he is being treated. Presumably there is a contract which the participants must sign with regard to accepting whatever is dished out on them. How far could/should that be stretched before it becomes unacceptable?

[Munchkins]

Yes Jim makes mistakes, but why do people act as though Linda is innocent? she has instigated the whole negative environment in the bloody house, Jim was quite happy to go in there even with their past, and start a fresh hence him being nice whilst they were being handcuffed together, but no Linda had to keep it with her, spreading rumours about him to the others, and how nasty he is, constantly sniping at him
I am never going to defend what Jim did the other did he went too far and it was awful, but its hardly surprising he finally snapped, and now Linda gets what she wants, looking like the true victim, even if Jim has the public support
If its true Jim was going to beat her husband up thats shocking, and even more testament to how hes done well in controlling his temper

[CaudleHalbard]

They are most certainly not employees!

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Seraphim

I wonder what the legal position would be this type of situation.

Linda is being paid for her appearance, but is that the same thing as being an employee? If she has a legal employee status, then under normal employment laws, Jim would probably have a legitimate grievance with regard to the way he is being treated. Presumably there is a contract which the participants must sign with regard to accepting whatever is dished out on them. How far could/should that be stretched before it becomes unacceptable?

It's definetely bullying. Linda and Louisa are relentless. They constantly ridicule him and isolate him.

[CaudleHalbard]

Just on a factual point, has Jim ever been convicted of a crime of violence?

If not we should really use the term "allegedly" when taking about this.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

Just on a factual point, has Jim ever been convicted of a crime of violence?

If not we should really use the term "allegedly" when taking about this.

No, he hasn't.

[Seraphim]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

They are most certainly not employees!

Is there a legal precedence for this yet? If not, then nothing is certain. In France, the legality is that people in reality TV shows are employees and entitled to employment rights. French reality TV show contestants therefore have to be given a number of hours when there are no cameras operating, and they are covered by the same laws as all other employees. It doesn't sound to me as the UK has any legal stance for now:

http://www.cipd.co.uk/pm/peoplemanag...s-2009-06.aspx

[Munchkins]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

No, he hasn't.

Even more disgusting that people try to bring up the sex allegations Jim was accused of

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

Just on a factual point, has Jim ever been convicted of a crime of violence?

If not we should really use the term "allegedly" when taking about this.

No he hasn't, most of it comes from his autobiography where he made references to how him and his wife were both violent towards each other and from a tabloid story from his former wife where she made some more serious allegations but it never went further than that

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Munchkins

Even more disgusting that people try to bring up the sex allegations Jim was accused of

I agree. Some people talk about him like he's a criminal. We all have a past and we all make mistakes. Some bigger than others.

[sampvt]

The problem here is that men are expected to suck it up and women are protected with kid gloves, especially on this program. Ask yourself this, if Jim was to act like Luisa when he was drunk and performed sex acts like she has, what would happen......exactly.....he would be toast so why or how can she get away with it. Similarly if Jim had have hounded Linda like she has him, he would be arrested as a sex pest or stalker.

Please don't tell me men and women are equal on this show, its simply not true.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

Just on a factual point, has Jim ever been convicted of a crime of violence?

If not we should really use the term "allegedly" when taking about this.

No but he has admitted to violently attacking his ex wife in his autobiography.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by Munchkins

Even more disgusting that people try to bring up the sex allegations Jim was accused of

Jim brought up someone else's past so his past is COMPLETELY fair game