[Marc]

Her last show was today.

She's the only one on R1 that I liked! She's moving to R2 -turns over-

[Black Dagger]

R2 & R6 >>>

Who is taking over Sara? (if it was queen Alice it'd be ok <3)

[Shaun]

"too old" i assume? ¬_¬

[Black Dagger]

Probably, we DEMAND the YOOF of Nick Grimshaw!!

[Marc]

Probably but that's never stopped that bag of bones Annie Nightingale :/

[Jack_]

I was never a massive fan, but this does now mean Scott is the last of the previous generation left Greg better get breakfast soon because there isn't much else for me on the station

It's a shame how much things have changed in the last few years, we went from the perfect daytime line-up of Dev - Moyles - Fearne - Scott - Greg to one that is tailored towards 15 year old girls...when are the BBC Trust going to learn that a lot of young people aren't put off listening to DJ's because they are twenty years older than them?

[jackc1806]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I was never a massive fan, but this does now mean Scott is the last of the previous generation left Greg better get breakfast soon because there isn't much else for me on the station

It's a shame how much things have changed in the last few years, we went from the perfect daytime line-up of Dev - Moyles - Fearne - Scott - Greg to one that is tailored towards 15 year old girls...when are the BBC Trust going to learn that a lot of young people aren't put off listening to DJ's because they are twenty years older than them?

The only difference in that line up to the current one is Nick instead of Chris, granted Gemma Cairney is replacing dev (I don't like her)
BBC Radio 1's average listener age is over the target audience and it isn't a justification of the license few money it receives if it doesn't bring down it's viewership.
I'm in it's target audience and I prefer Grimshaw over Moyles and if it was up to me I'd move Scott mills to Radio 2, obviously I don't speak for everyone

[MTVN]

Radio 2 is much better anyway, Ken Bruce, Jeremy Vine, Steve Wright and Simon Mayo are all far superior to their Radio 1 counterparts

[Marc]

they are.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Marc

Her last show was today.

She's the only one on R1 that I liked! She's moving to R2 -turns over-

Yes thats wise

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by jackc1806

The only difference in that line up to the current one is Nick instead of Chris, granted Gemma Cairney is replacing dev (I don't like her)
BBC Radio 1's average listener age is over the target audience and it isn't a justification of the license few money it receives if it doesn't bring down it's viewership.
I'm in it's target audience and I prefer Grimshaw over Moyles and if it was up to me I'd move Scott mills to Radio 2, obviously I don't speak for everyone

I know, but the content of the shows has been changed and there is a discernible difference in the links of now and those a few years back, there is a lot of pandering to young girls in the 13 to 18 age bracket, granted it has got better since Grimmy's initial induction - I shudder remembering his first week had countless references and interviews with Bieber and One Direction - and to be fair to him his show has improved a lot now they've made it zoo-format and given the rest of the team an on-air voice, but it has nothing on the creativity of Moyles' show

If Scott was younger he'd have got breakfast, since his show is definitely sounding the best and most target audience at the minute and nearing 40 his ability to still sound young, fresh and relevant is positive - I actually think moving him to afternoons gave him a lease of life and he's very popular with the likes of 1D fans

The main problem I have with Radio 1 is their insistence on signing people that aren't necessarily from a radio background - so Jameela, Dan and Phil, Matt Edmondson (although he has improved a lot I will admit), as a fan of and someone with an interest in radio myself I don't think it's fair to the hundreds of new and upcoming talents on student and internet radio stations around the country that they're being ignored for some TV presenters or people that are being signed because of their name. That isn't what radio is about and 90% of the time their shows sound sloppy and messy, and some of them don't even drive the desk - that's pathetic. It's only really Greg, Scott and to a point Grimmy that are the only radio 'geeks' left on daytime, and that is sad to me - ironically I think they're probably the best shows left on the station

There is a real problem also with the target audience ranges for R1 and R2, there is a whole five to ten year age gap of people in their thirties that aren't catered for by the BBC, that isn't right. I think both the target audiences should overlap personally, so that the transitionary stage between both stations is easier. R1 could be 15 - 34, and R2 could be 30+, that would also mean the ability for the older DJs on Radio 1 to move to Radio 2 would be a lot easier and they wouldn't have to change their style so much. As it is, there is a whole generation not catered for and I find the BBC Trust's belief that young people only like listening to people that are the same age as them patronising and irritating

[MTVN]

Scott would never suit Radio 2 really, most R2 listeners wouldn't really see the humour in stupid stuff like innuendo bingo

[Z]

BBC Radio is just a cess pool of corruption and politics that have absolutely nothing to do with the principles of unbiased presentation of what the British public would like to hear. I've grown to hate it since I was about 16 years old and first started working in offices and being subjected to hearing the same songs being repeated all day, all week and realising that there must be a hell of a lot of paying people off to get certain acts played on Radio 1 because it's just utter bull****. The presenters don't even get a say in the music they play and it's ridiculous that they think their target audience is teenagers and young adults when the vast majority of people who listen to radio on a regular basis are people who are sitting in their cars or offices listening to it all day. Sara Cox will be missed, one of the few radio personalities on Radio 1 that I enjoyed listening to whenever I was out in the car or in the office in any of my previous jobs; she has this very naturally humorous way with words that comes across as genuine and sometimes hilarious in sharp contrast with the likes of Nick Grimshaw who just says banal buzzwords for cheap laughs. Bosh. Wizard. Tokens. I find it an unbearable station to listen to and eventually switched over to Radio 2 and started listening to Vanessa Feltz in the morning instead.

[Marc]

k big post omggg

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Zee

BBC Radio is just a cess pool of corruption and politics that have absolutely nothing to do with the principles of unbiased presentation of what the British public would like to hear. I've grown to hate it since I was about 16 years old and first started working in offices and being subjected to hearing the same songs being repeated all day, all week and realising that there must be a hell of a lot of paying people off to get certain acts played on Radio 1 because it's just utter bull****. The presenters don't even get a say in the music they play and it's ridiculous that they think their target audience is teenagers and young adults when the vast majority of people who listen to radio on a regular basis are people who are sitting in their cars or offices listening to it all day. Sara Cox will be missed, one of the few radio personalities on Radio 1 that I enjoyed listening to whenever I was out in the car or in the office in any of my previous jobs; she has this very naturally humorous way with words that comes across as genuine and sometimes hilarious in sharp contrast with the likes of Nick Grimshaw who just says banal buzzwords for cheap laughs. Bosh. Wizard. Tokens. I find it an unbearable station to listen to and eventually switched over to Radio 2 and started listening to Vanessa Feltz in the morning instead.

Preach Greg.

The problem with all of them - 1Extra in particular - is that they are the only gateway for so many artists into the mainstream. Thus they are in a privileged position with any kind A&R people and many abuse the position.

I'll miss Coxy too but I think BBC radio like its presenters a bit younger than Coxy.

[zakman440]

Sad news, but Grimmy next please.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Scott would never suit Radio 2 really, most R2 listeners wouldn't really see the humour in stupid stuff like innuendo bingo

I agree but what you have at the minute is a situation where a DJ on Radio 1 approaches the end of their career and finds it very difficult to make an immediate transition to Radio 2. And that's because as I said you have an entire generation that simply isn't catered for, the remit for R1 is 15 - 29 year olds, while Radio 2 is 35 - 40+, there is a good five to ten year age gap there where people don't have a BBC radio station for them. That's just as bad as this idea that Radio 1 isn't targeting their specific audience.

Something needs to be done to counteract that problem, because not only will it make the listeners transition from R1 to R2 easier, it will also make it easier for DJs careers too. You could either create an extra station where Radio 1 DJs like Moyles, Scott, Sara, Jo Whiley, Edith Bowman etc etc could go and the listeners that grew up with them could follow, before they eventually migrate to Radio 2 after say five years, or you just change the remit of both Radio 1 and 2 so that they overlap each other. The former could be for 15 - 34 year olds, and the latter for 30+ year olds, you would then be able to alter the content on Radio 2 slightly to include some more younger-skewing features, and likewise with older-skewing content on Radio 1. There wouldn't be this 'Radio 1 is for 1D fans and Radio 2 is for people like gardening' then, it would be a lot easier to cross between the two stations but with an idea of the main generations they are targeting.

Originally Posted by Zee

BBC Radio is just a cess pool of corruption and politics that have absolutely nothing to do with the principles of unbiased presentation of what the British public would like to hear. I've grown to hate it since I was about 16 years old and first started working in offices and being subjected to hearing the same songs being repeated all day, all week and realising that there must be a hell of a lot of paying people off to get certain acts played on Radio 1 because it's just utter bull****. The presenters don't even get a say in the music they play and it's ridiculous that they think their target audience is teenagers and young adults when the vast majority of people who listen to radio on a regular basis are people who are sitting in their cars or offices listening to it all day.

Actually one thing I think Radio 1 has always had going for it is its music policy. You compare the range of genres, styles and artists there with its commercial counterparts and the differences are quite large. You've got the likes of Capital which has a Rihanna-Avicii-1D playlist on repeat every hour with generic DJs that have barely any personality, whereas Radio 1 goes from Rihanna to Jake Bugg and Childish Gambino to Disclosure in two different segues, for what it's worth I think the Radio 1 playlist is fairly varied.

As for DJs getting no say in what they play, there's a debate to be had there but that isn't BBC Radio specific, most commercial stations operate a same policy, music is scheduled days in advance, they just press buttons and introduce the songs. It's only specialist shows that get to pick their own records

[Z]

The Radio 1 playlist may be varied; but it's also completely dictated by label politics and Radio 1's own policy of being 'cool makers' - they love to break new talent but they don't continue to support that talent past one album unless that talent manages to fit what Radio 1 has decided is in by the time they get to launching album #2. I've said it before on here, but how many acts of yesterday have been huge news one minute and completely forgotten the next? They didn't get any less talented overnight, they just got tarred with the BBC brush and at first that seemed great but then it ended up ruining them. If you were deemed cool enough for Radio 1 then you were no longer cool enough for indie channels of promotion so once Radio 1 has discarded you, you're suddenly not cool anywhere.

[Jack_]

Well I don't disagree with that, but Radio 1's position as a career make or breaker is due to its popularity, it isn't ascribed to them. If people didn't listen, then a commercial station like Capital would probably take on that role, so it's not as if it's a position they have just been handed, it has somewhat been earned over generations.

I don't know what they're really supposed to do though, Radio 1 like to have a balance of new and upcoming artists and your traditional pop acts that are identifiable to listeners, if you keep the artists you've broken then you leave less space for newer ones that are up and coming. It's a balancing act, trying to get a range of tracks that listeners will immediately identify with, breaking new artists, and continuing to support ones that they've recently introduced. Inevitably some artists are going to suffer, but that's just the way the industry works. It's fast paced, it changes from year to year, one minute you may be the next big thing and the next you aren't. That works the same in TV and celebrity culture too, I think it's a media-wide problem.

I would much rather have a varied playlist than the five songs on repeat every hour that Radio 1's commercial equivalents offer. Now that's dire.

[InOne]

Radio 1 is a joke these days to be fair. I used to always listen in 2010/11 era and before that too. Radio 2 or even more radio 6 is where it's at.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Well I don't disagree with that, but Radio 1's position as a career make or breaker is due to its popularity, it isn't ascribed to them. If people didn't listen, then a commercial station like Capital would probably take on that role, so it's not as if it's a position they have just been handed, it has somewhat been earned over generations.

I don't know what they're really supposed to do though, Radio 1 like to have a balance of new and upcoming artists and your traditional pop acts that are identifiable to listeners, if you keep the artists you've broken then you leave less space for newer ones that are up and coming. It's a balancing act, trying to get a range of tracks that listeners will immediately identify with, breaking new artists, and continuing to support ones that they've recently introduced. Inevitably some artists are going to suffer, but that's just the way the industry works. It's fast paced, it changes from year to year, one minute you may be the next big thing and the next you aren't. That works the same in TV and celebrity culture too, I think it's a media-wide problem.

I would much rather have a varied playlist than the five songs on repeat every hour that Radio 1's commercial equivalents offer. Now that's dire.

I completely disagree with that entire post. Radio 1 abuses its position; it's precisely because Radio 1 has abused that position that stations like Capital have gained in popularity and have become a cooler alternative to Radio 1 because people are sick of Radio 1's manipulation of the charts. Radio 1 hammers the same handful of songs on its A List so I don't even know what you're saying in your final paragraph there; it's just as guilty of that as all the other stations out there but as the industry's leading radio station, Radio 1 can dictate how the others behave. If Radio 1 is playing a song, then other stations will play that too so as to not be out of the loop. If Radio 1 isn't playing a song then it's rare that that song will get rotations on other stations and even rarer for it to be a success. Recent example of that is Neon Jungle - Braveheart. Completely ignored by Radio 1 but still managed to hit the top 10 due to online promotion and plays from other stations.

Radio 1 gives all acts a shelf life. There is a reason there haven't been any musical legends in our era, and that's because Radio 1 won't let it happen. There is no Elton John or Kate Bush from the 90s-10s. Everything has become throwaway. You're right, it's a problem across all media, but Radio 1 has more power than most to change that. Robbie Williams was completely excluded by Radio 1 yet he still managed to find success due to his loyal fanbase. Shouldn't Radio 1 be playing what the public want to hear (i.e. an artist they've loved for two decades) instead of trying to make a one hit wonder happen? It's such a corrupt station.

[Black Dagger]

Look at Sam Smith. They are hyping him this year as their exciting solo male artist, so creative, so unique (he ****ing isn't) come next year, they won't give a **** and they'll move on to their next solo male artist.

[Marc]

Any opportunity to hate on Sam Smith somebody has issues!

[Black Dagger]

Originally Posted by Marc

Any opportunity to hate on Sam Smith somebody has issues!

Not really any, I think that was the first time I mentioned him in ages, can't help but finding him to be overhyped, dire, unexciting nonsense.

[Marc]

you reallllly hate him