Originally Posted by arista

The best Docu was on Ch4HD
showing the Co-Pilot Error
on the the Tragic French Flight 447.
1 June 2009

I saw that one. It's weird how such experienced people can make such basic errors, especially when their own lives are on the line.

Did you ever see the ACI where the Russian pilot let his son sit in the captains seat and he disengaged the auto-pilot.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

I saw that one. It's weird how such experienced people can make such basic errors, especially when their own lives are on the line.

Did you ever see the ACI where the Russian pilot let his son sit in the captains seat and he disengaged the auto-pilot.

I used to be obsessesed with Air Crash Investigation....not always the best thing to watch when you already have an irrational fear of flying

[BBfanUSA]

They're saying they haven't found the flight and the oil slick isn't related to it as well.

[arista]

Originally Posted by BBfanUSA

They're saying they haven't found the flight and the oil slick isn't related to it as well.

they better get a move on as after 30 days
it will stop sending a signal

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

I saw that one. It's weird how such experienced people can make such basic errors, especially when their own lives are on the line.

Did you ever see the ACI where the Russian pilot let his son sit in the captains seat and he disengaged the auto-pilot.

Yes that Co-Pilot
did not know what he was doing wrong on that French Tragic flight


Yes that Russian pilot was wrong to allow that

[Me. I Am Salman]

this is so creepy

[arista]

Originally Posted by Salman!

this is so creepy

Yes but over sea,
its very hard to track as the sea moves fast.


The 2 men with stolen passports
could just be typical criminals
or they could be something else.

Out there
their Database at Airports
does not track stolen passports
(as there is so many of them, to many for
a computer to check fast)
which is a Stinking problem

[Cherie]

What would be the point of a terrorist attack if nobody knows for sure that it was one.

Originally Posted by Cherie

What would be the point of a terrorist attack if nobody knows for sure that it was one.

Maybe other terrorists did terrorism on the people doing this terrorist attack, so no one would know it was a terrorist attack?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

What would be the point of a terrorist attack if nobody knows for sure that it was one.

If it was a Terror attack
all kinds of problems can happen
if the bomb is part liquid
and bits all over the place
it could have gone wrong.

And maybe they wanted to go down over land
but something alerted someone - then a rush.

Of course all this is like Movie Talk
until they locate the plane under the sea.
But they must hurry
as after 30 days signal could die (reported today)

[thesheriff443]

regardless of the cause, this story is not going to have a happy ending.

[arista]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

regardless of the cause, this story is not going to have a happy ending.

Sadly True

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

Maybe other terrorists did terrorism on the people doing this terrorist attack, so no one would know it was a terrorist attack?

eh

Originally Posted by arista

If it was a Terror attack
all kinds of problems can happen
if the bomb is part liquid
and bits all over the place
it could have gone wrong.

And maybe they wanted to go down over land
but something alerted someone - then a rush.

Of course all this is like Movie Talk
until they locate the plane under the sea.
But they must hurry
as after 30 days signal could die (reported today)

Yeah I suppose so but I would have thought some organisation would have claimed responsibility if it were a terror attack, the two people travelling on false passports, points to terror I guess

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

eh






Yeah I suppose so but I would have thought some organisation would have claimed responsibility if it were a terror attack, the two people travelling on false passports, points to terror I guess

Sure but they could also be loners.


Also Out There
Fake Passports are very common

So time will tell
or in 30 days - thats the end

[Ammi]

The missing Malaysia Airlines flight may be proving so hard to find because it vanished in an aviation "black spot", an expert has told Sky News.

Former Boeing 777 instructor and United Airlines captain Ross Aimer said it was "disturbing" that there had been no distress call from flight MH370's cockpit and that the plane's emergency locator transmitters had not sent any signals.

He said: "These are very sophisticated equipment that should have been working under any condition - in the water, in the jungle, after a fire, after an explosion - and none of them have talked to the outside world yet.

"There are spots in the world, however, that are called blind spots, where you can not communicate for some reason.

"Unfortunately, that area near Vietnam, over the Gulf of Thailand, those are some of the black spots, so perhaps at that time there was no data transmission between the aircraft and the airline."

Flight MH370 vanished from radar screens early on Saturday about one hour into a flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing with 239 people on board.

When it last made contact, the Malaysia Airlines jet was at cruising altitude, 11km (35,000 feet) above sea level, largely considered the safest part of a flight

While there is still no confirmation that the Boeing 777-200 crashed, aviation experts have put forward possible causes of its disappearance including a terrorist attack, extreme turbulence, human error or even suicide.

The failure of the pilots to send a distress signal has given rise to speculation there was a sudden catastrophe - possibly caused by a mechanical failure or an explosion.

Former Navy pilot Dr Simon Mitchell has told Sky News that despite flying becoming safer over the years, mistakes are still made.

"We've expended billions of dollars on developing very sophisticated aids to make the life of the pilot safer and more straightforward, but there are still opportunities whereby mistakes can be made," he said.

Investigations into Air France flight 447 that plunged into the Atlantic Ocean in 2009, killing 228 people, eventually concluded that both technical and human error were to blame for the disaster

Closer to the area where MH370 vanished, Adam Air flight 574 with 102 people on board disappeared in January 2007, also at its cruise phase, during a domestic flight in Indonesia.

Authorities found the pilots lost control after becoming preoccupied with malfunctioning navigational equipment.

The lack of wreckage from MH370 also suggests a high-altitude disaster which spread debris across an area too wide to be easily detected.

Aviation experts say the size of the debris field will be one of the first indicators of what happened.

A smaller field would indicate the plane probably fell intact, breaking up upon impact with the water.

A large, widespread field would signal the plane probably broke apart at a high elevation, perhaps because of a bomb or a massive airframe failure

But sudden, accidental structural failures are considered extremely unlikely in today's passenger aircraft.

This is especially so with the Boeing 777-200, which has one of the best safety records of any jet.

Authorities have not ruled out terrorism or hijacking, though, with suspicions over two of the passengers found to be travelling on stolen passports.

"There are two categories of people who use these (stolen passports) - criminals and terrorists," Rohan Gunaratna, a terrorism expert at Singapore's Nanyang Technological University, said.

In the 1988 Lockerbie bombing, there was substantial wreckage despite it being a mid-air explosion, and claims of responsibility came soon after the disaster

But no-one has come forward to claim the Malaysia incident as their attack.

Whatever caused the apparent crash, there would be some debris - but it could take a while to find.

It took two years to find the main wreckage of the Air France plane plunged into the Atlantic Ocean in 2009, killing 228 people.

An Indonesian navy ship detected metal on the ocean floor a week after the Adam Air flight disappeared in 2007.

It was a further two weeks before the US Navy picked up signals from the flight data and cockpit recorders, and seven months for the recorder to be recovered

The Malaysian jet could have made a U-turn shortly before it vanished, officials say, adding one more level of uncertainty to the effort to find it.

It is thought the plane could be hundreds of miles from where it was last detected, and the search has been widened in the hope of finding the plane.

Just about every major jet to disappear in the modern era has eventually been found. The rare exceptions did not involve passengers.

In September 1990, a Boeing 727 owned by the Peruvian Faucett Airlines ditched into the North Atlantic after running out of fuel on its way to Miami.

The accident was attributed to poor pilot planning and the wreck was never recovered.

More mysterious was the disappearance of another Boeing 727 being used to transport diesel fuel to diamond mines in Africa.

The owners had numerous financial problems and the plane took off without clearance and with its transponder turned off. It is believed to have crashed in the Atlantic Ocean.

One theory, never proven, is that it was stolen so the owner could collect insurance



http://news.sky.com/story/1223758/ma...t-has-happened

[arista]

Missing Malaysia Jet Suspect 'Not Terrorist'



By Mark Stone, Asia Correspondent, in Kuala Lumpur

[One of two men who used false passports to board the missing
Malaysia Airlines flight was an Iranian asylum seeker and not
believed to belong to a terrorist group, say police.
The development came as rescue teams enlarged
their search for the aircraft to include a vast
area on the west peninsula of Malaysia at the Straits of Malacca.]

http://news.sky.com/story/1223813/mi...-not-terrorist

[Cherie]

aw poor guy.

[arista]

New Reports have just come in (A Malaysian Air Force man tracker)
that the Plane had done a complete U Turn?

Were the pilots being held under terrorists or something else (a possible pilot wanting to die)
why did they not Radio a signal in?


Ref :SkyNewsHD and CNN Live UK and USA

[Missing Malaysia Jet 'Tracked Miles Off Course'
Four days after flight MH370 and its 239 passengers
and crew vanished without trace, sources in the
Malaysian military revealed they have evidence
the Beijing-bound plane made a U-turn - a theory
that was suspected early in the investigation.]

http://news.sky.com/story/1223813/mi...les-off-course



On CNN a top pilot just confirmed in that Cockpit communications
can be turned off fast. (or a Plane error can stop them)
He also said the plane had not broken up but by hand had turned around.

[arista]

No debris, no Mayday, but a host of questions

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2vlaoq8h3



No Mayday
could be because they were to busy flying low
trying to save the plane.


Yes they have wasted 4 days looking in the wrong area

[Apple202]

what if it was an alien abduction!!

[Z]

This is so bizarre, feels like with each passing day it gets more and more mysterious!

[arista]

Originally Posted by Apple202

what if it was an alien abduction!!

No many think that if its terrorist
a loner ,
The Malaysia Power
does not want the world to
know. But to hide this would be crazy



Did it go down in a jungle zone?

Is it deep down in a Zone they are not looking into?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Z

This is so bizarre, feels like with each passing day it gets more and more mysterious!

It was 2 years later they found the French Flight
447.


So it could be
days , months or years



One of the pilots on another flight let 2 sexy women in his cockpit
they posted photos today.
That will not help.

[MTVN]

If mobile phones are still ringing can't they trace them?

[Livia]

It sounds like the plot of Tomorrow Never Dies.