[Tom4784]

Both sides seem like arseholes to me.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

If you're going to have freedom of speech it has to cover everyone, even people you don't agree with. The man who did the "preaching" has been called a fair few names on this thread, suggested he be told to "shove his bible up his arse", called a "****ing idiot" and accused "jokingly" if that's possible, of being buggered as a choirboy. He is entitled to his religious freedom, just as the gay couple were entitled to express their love by kissing in front of him. Calling the police was just ridiculous.

Sense.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

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Why ? based on what ? your intuition.....

Do you just hate Preachers........if not why such a hostile assumption

The two gay guys were probably the real arseholes in all of this

Oh My

Based on the fact that I don't think a Police officer would have arrested him and locked him up like that without more reason then just the word of the two guys

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oh My

Based on the fact that I don't think a Police officer would have arrested him and locked him up like that without more reason then just the word of the two guys

But that's exactly what happened and in the absence of any other reported unruly behaviour by the preacher we have to assume the policeman in question has acted totally unprofessionally and as the preacher was finally awarded a large amount of damages this reinforces the scandalous behaviour of the Police in this case.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

But that's exactly what happened and in the absence of any other reported unruly behaviour by the preacher we have to assume the policeman in question has acted totally unprofessionally and as the preacher was finally awarded a large amount of damages this reinforces the scandalous behaviour of the Police in this case.

I don't believe that it's exactly what happened, not because I hate Preachers or whatever you accused me of in your previous post but more because I don't think Police officers would behave that way, just because he was awarded compensation doesn't mean I have to believe his account of the scenario exactly.

[Cherie]

He must have had serious evidence of mistreatment to get compo though, don't cells have CCTV, easy enough to discount his claims if it didn't happen (the no food/water/medication thing).

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

He must have had serious evidence of mistreatment to get compo though, don't cells have CCTV, easy enough to discount his claims if it didn't happen (the no food/water/medication thing).

I believe that part of it which is probably why he got compensation but I bet he was probably acting pretty badly to get himself arrested in the first place

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I believe that part of it which is probably why he got compensation but I bet he was probably acting pretty badly to get himself arrested in the first place

oh yes possibly

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Both sides seem like arseholes to me.

no pun intended

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kyle

Aye true. I mean don't get me wrong I don't want to diminish the experience they would have had from getting lectured by this man for no reason but if anyone was watching you can guarantee they would side with the 2 lads every time. Nobody would give him and his views the time of day. Complete non-story.

these idiots approached him for his opinions, not the other way round, so they isntigated it all. theyre all as bad as each other

[Nedusa]

Since when did it become fashionable or acceptable to flaunt one's sexuality like this.

Chances are this preacher would have traditional views on family,marriage probably in keeping with the Bible he was preaching from.

So why did these guys think it was acceptable to ram their homosexuality down his throat (so to speak) and then when he gave his view which by all accounts was quite restrained they went off to find a policeman and goodness knows what tissue of lies they told him, next thing this guy is arrested and hauled off to a police cell for nothing.

Those guys must have thought it was the funniest thing they had seen in ages, probably had a right laugh about it.

shameful behaviour

[Marsh.]

Those pesky homos.

[Kizzy]

It's not a case of pesky anyone tbf, there is a conflict of interest here, on one hand we have freedom of speech and on the other we have the hate laws.... This was handled totally cack handed imo.
There is a really difficult transition to be made here, those with traditional not too long ago acceptable views from a religious perspective at least are for some reason being treated as criminals... I don't feel this was what the hate laws were created for, they were not designed to be used as a weapon of mass suppression.
The police need not have used such a heavy handed approach, more diplomacy needs to be used here.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's not a case of pesky anyone tbf, there is a conflict of interest here, on one hand we have freedom of speech and on the other we have the hate laws.... This was handled totally cack handed imo.
There is a really difficult transition to be made here, those with traditional not too long ago acceptable views from a religious perspective at least are for some reason being treated as criminals... I don't feel this was what the hate laws were created for, they were not designed to be used as a weapon of mass suppression.
The police need not have used such a heavy handed approach, more diplomacy needs to be used here.

[lostalex]

Disgraceful that he was ever arrested. If he was following them or harassing them then I could understand, but it doesn't sound like he was doing that at all.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Shaun

*sighs* No one should be arrested for saying things.

Originally Posted by Livia

If you're going to have freedom of speech it has to cover everyone, even people you don't agree with. The man who did the "preaching" has been called a fair few names on this thread, suggested he be told to "shove his bible up his arse", called a "****ing idiot" and accused "jokingly" if that's possible, of being buggered as a choirboy. He is entitled to his religious freedom, just as the gay couple were entitled to express their love by kissing in front of him. Calling the police was just ridiculous.

this

[the truth]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Disgraceful that he was ever arrested. If he was following them or harassing them then I could understand, but it doesn't sound like he was doing that at all.

agreed. jobsworth coppers

[Sticks]

The problem stems from two pieces of legislation brought out at the same time, the rules about incitement of religious hatred, used to ban Christmas decorations in the workplace because it might offend other faiths and none, and the one based on orientation.

The Orientation rules at least don't have self contradiction like the religious hatred rules do, but that is by the by.

It has now been pointed out that now under the rules, reading out loud, in public, Romans 1:24-28, even in a church, could leave the reader open to a public order offence.

There have been stories of other people trying to explain Biblical opposition to homosexuality only to be arrested just for stating what they believe, based on what they read in the bible.

With efforts to woo the gay community, there is a suspicion some elements of the constabulary are willing to make examples of those who they think are enemies of said gay community.

The real question is Wither Voltaire...

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Sticks

The problem stems from two pieces of legislation brought out at the same time, the rules about incitement of religious hatred, used to ban Christmas decorations in the workplace because it might offend other faiths and none, and the one based on orientation.

The Orientation rules at least don't have self contradiction like the religious hatred rules do, but that is by the by.

It has now been pointed out that now under the rules, reading out loud, in public, Romans 1:24-28, even in a church, could leave the reader open to a public order offence.

There have been stories of other people trying to explain Biblical opposition to homosexuality only to be arrested just for stating what they believe, based on what they read in the bible.

With efforts to woo the gay community, there is a suspicion some elements of the constabulary are willing to make examples of those who they think are enemies of said gay community.

The real question is Wither Voltaire...

Yes I agree that was the impression I was starting to get , that the policeman was more concerned about appeasing the two gay lads that he didn't stop to consider the preachers rights.

Positive discrimination gone mad if you ask me.

[lostalex]

I have no problem with someone reading the koran/bible/torah in public, or someone tearing up the koran/bible/torah and throwing it in the garbage in public.

As long as you aren't harassing people or infringing on their rights (and no, you don't have a right to not be offended) then let people do/say what they want.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I have no problem with someone reading the koran/bible/torah in public, or someone tearing up the koran/bible/torah and throwing it in the garbage in public.

As long as you aren't harassing people or infringing on their rights (and no, you don't have a right to not be offended) then let people do/say what they want.

i actually agree...

what i dont like is when people are being nasty and offensive on purpose.

its odd, but i kind of want to be in a situation like that to see what I would do. I always think that I'd say something to help, but i really dont know what I would do in the heat of the moment.