[Miranda123]

Im so glad Matthew has started voicing his opinions rather than just telling Mark how he feels.
He shut Helen down on tonights show when he said everyone was overeacting about Steven being up and about who had the Power, she was going on about Steven being such a nice guy..............stupid b.tch, who does she think she is to criticise anyone elses choice of nomination

The way her, Pauline, steven etc were sitting in the frontroom really laying into jale was great, they are digging their own graves every day and although I really want Pauline to get kicked out this week, I want Toya & Steven to get name-checked by the crowd to 'GET OUT'

[Verbal]

They are 'sticking up' to the wrong person. Helen may be a mouthy cow, but she tells it how it is and doesn't care who knows it. She's not particularly harming anybody.

Pauline is the one that should be confronted.

[reece(:]

He hardly shut her down now did he

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Verbal

They are 'sticking up' to the wrong person. Helen may be a mouthy cow, but she tells it how it is and doesn't care who knows it. She's not particularly harming anybody.

Pauline is the one that should be confronted.

Agree, in fairness to Helen she does say it as she sees it, and she does have the ability to apologise as well, which Jazzy P is unable to do.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Agree, in fairness to Helen she does say it as she sees it, and she does have the ability to apologise as well, which Jazzy P is unable to do.

Says it as she sees it my ass. Helen is a hateful BULLY. Yes, BULLY! No matter about people not liking that word being used, that is exactly what she is.

[MeMyselfAndI]

I can't even remember this shutting her down, lol

[joeysteele]

Matthew is becoming a really good and strong housemate for me.

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by jet

Says it as she sees it my ass. Helen is a hateful BULLY. Yes, BULLY! No matter about people not liking that word being used, that is exactly what she is.

How?

She has voiced her opinion on who she thinks it is, she has said it to the persons face. She doesn't care and neither does Jale.

Pauline who pulls the weak ones to one side and manipulates them to be on her side you could call a bully, but Helen? Never.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Verbal

They are 'sticking up' to the wrong person. Helen may be a mouthy cow, but she tells it how it is and doesn't care who knows it. She's not particularly harming anybody.

Pauline is the one that should be confronted.

That just means tactless and rude to me. I think if the boot was on the other foot, and someone was telling her "like it is", she'd be outraged. People like her always are when they get some home truths back.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Verbal

How?

She has voiced her opinion on who she thinks it is, she has said it to the persons face. She doesn't care and neither does Jale.

Pauline who pulls the weak ones to one side and manipulates them to be on her side you could call a bully, but Helen? Never.

They both use different tactics, but they are BOTH bullies. Pauline is the manipulative and sadistic bully, Helen is the confrontational and aggressive bully.

[Hofman]

I'm agreeing with joey, I think it showed good character, he's not shown as a sheep so far but has had little airtime. He had the courage to express an opinion which didn't conform to the P philosophy, fair play!

[jet]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Matthew is becoming a really good and strong housemate for me.

Isn't he? Matthew is a big fave of mine.

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by Livia

That just means tactless and rude to me. I think if the boot was on the other foot, and someone was telling her "like it is", she'd be outraged. People like her always are when they get some home truths back.

Tactless and rude does not make someone a bully. She is not going out of her way to mess with people. She is not going behind peoples backs and spreading rumours about them. She is not picking out the individuals who a predator/bully would see as easy prey.

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by Livia

That just means tactless and rude to me. I think if the boot was on the other foot, and someone was telling her "like it is", she'd be outraged. People like her always are when they get some home truths back.

THIS

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by jet

They both use different tactics, but they are BOTH bullies. Pauline is the manipulative and sadistic bully, Helen is the confrontational and aggressive bully.

She definitely has a tendency to speak before she thinks, but on the occasions she has done that, she has later apologised. Bullies don't tend to do that.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by jet

Isn't he? Matthew is a big fave of mine.

I really like him now too jet, he is just improving each time he gets featured.

[Daffodil]

Matthew has gone up in my estimation after this episode.

[HBB1508]

I've liked Matthew from the beginning I just hope he gets some more airtime as I find him very funny and I'm so glad he is now standing up to the vile gang.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Agree, in fairness to Helen she does say it as she sees it, and she does have the ability to apologise as well, which Jazzy P is unable to do.

Saying how dare the secret HM nominate Steven cos he's such a nice guy isn't telling it like it is though, who the hell does she think she is mouthing off about who does and doesn't deserve to be nominated? The big headedness and superiority of these people really annoys me. The ones who "deserve" to be nominated according to them, are actually the ones who take it all in their stride. I hate people who think they're better than other people and the way Helen and her gang are carrying on over the nominations is doing just that, basically saying we're all better than you losers, how dare you have the cheek to nominate your superiors...........piss off Helen.