[kefln]

So on here yesterday there was a lot of criticisim for Jale for being a “grass” and “betraying” Chris. I the end they had a fairly low key argument, that only involved the two of them. And despite BB declaring that the PH task was now over, and having some HM’s still questioning, Jale said nothing to the group. Yet looking online she’s still getting a lot of stick, some of it quite nasty (not here).

And then we see the Daneille sequence. She completely sold Chris out. Entirely. She fed the guy to the wolves. For no reason, except to suck up to the very person that she was rowing with last week.

How can the two situations be compared?

Considering all the very nasty behaviour we have seen over the last couple of weeks, the Chris/Jale row was very tame. Especially when you look to how Toya argues.

So I’m confused about the public’s reaction to Jale.

[Niamh.]

I was under the impression that Chris and Jale were friends in there where as I wouldn't have said him and Danielle were and also alot of people looked on Chris nominating of Pauline as something he did for jales benefit

[jet]

Originally Posted by kefln

So on here yesterday there was a lot of criticisim for Jale for being a “grass” and “betraying” Chris. I the end they had a fairly low key argument, that only involved the two of them. And despite BB declaring that the PH task was now over, and having some HM’s still questioning, Jale said nothing to the group. Yet looking online she’s still getting a lot of stick, some of it quite nasty (not here).

And then we see the Daneille sequence. She completely sold Chris out. Entirely. She fed the guy to the wolves. For no reason, except to suck up to the very person that she was rowing with last week.

How can the two situations be compared?

Considering all the very nasty behaviour we have seen over the last couple of weeks, the Chris/Jale row was very tame. Especially when you look to how Toya argues.

So I’m confused about the public’s reaction to Jale.

They need justification for the way she was bullied.

[Verbal]

I was wondering when the 'gate' thing would be used this year

[Ellen]

Jale told Chris she would not say anything about what was heard. She then went & blabbed and got nasty with Chris about him not admitting he was the PH. She got ****ty about him lying to her but yet she lied to him.
Danielle made no such promises to keep quiet. Although it did cross my mind if Chris was testing Danielle.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ellen

Jale told Chris she would not say anything about what was heard. She then went & blabbed and got nasty with Chris about him not admitting he was the PH. She got ****ty about him lying to her but yet she lied to him.
Danielle made no such promises to keep quiet. Although it did cross my mind if Chris was testing Danielle.

Yeah, why was she doing that, it's supposed to be kept secret, that really annoyed me. Why is she acting like she's been double crossed, he did nothing to her while he was the PH except protect her by sending Pauline up

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I was under the impression that Chris and Jale were friends in there where as I wouldn't have said him and Danielle were

Friends argue. I've had numerous bust ups with friends over the years.

We the viewers know that Jale was right, Chris was the PH. So getting upset about him lying about it was correct. But we also know that Chris doesn't want it to get out, naturally. So both had a strong case. There was nothing vicious, or irreparable said. And if Jale were to become PH, she might come around to his thinking on it.

Originally Posted by Niamh.

and also alot of people looked on Chris nominating of Pauline as something he did for jales benefit

Chris never mentioned Jale in his nomination. He mentioned her behaviour and that he heard the crowd.

So blaming her because of an assumption made without evidence seems rather pointless.

And her argument points were not about the nominations. She just didn't like that he lied to her. Thats all.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Verbal

I was wondering when the 'gate' thing would be used this year

I had to get it in there. I typed another title first...and then a light bulb went off!

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Ellen

Jale told Chris she would not say anything about what was heard. She then went & blabbed and got nasty with Chris about him not admitting he was the PH. She got ****ty about him lying to her but yet she lied to him.

They were shocked when they heard the voice over the wall. Their first reaction was deny everything. Heat of the moment stuff. But you can understand it grating on the mind.

Also she didn't "blab". She discussed it with 2 of her closest allies, as far as she believes.

And can we really call that "nasty"? It was a quiet tiff.

Originally Posted by Ellen

Danielle made no such promises to keep quiet. Although it did cross my mind if Chris was testing Danielle.

Is every conversation supposed to be prefaced with a "please don't tell anyone else this"?

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah, why was she doing that, it's supposed to be kept secret, that really annoyed me.

Its annoying that she was looking for the truth?

Isn't HM's demanding to know if something is a "secret task" pretty much standard in the house?

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Why is she acting like she's been double crossed, he did nothing to her while he was the PH except protect her by sending Pauline up

How exactly did Chris protect Jale?

As I mentioned, he explained his reasons, and they had nothing to do with her. And during Jale's confrontation with Pauline, where was Chris? Not there.

There was no protection. Thats a fallacy.

[Jamesy]

I guess those being nasty online viewed it as Jale stabbing Chris in the back. It has been presented as Jale suddenly snapping at Chris and running off to tell everyone to be spiteful.

I think though that Jale just didn't like having that information. Having it confirmed in that way from the outside world probably put her a bit on edge and as Chris described in the diary room, she is "weak". Chris tried to reassure her it was not him, just so he can get on with his time although since Jale was stuck in that mindset that he is lying, and it felt like a burden knowing that information. So to release herself from having this information tying her down she had to tell someone, anyone about it, just to feel a little more relieved.

That's how I've perceived it anyway. She could just be acting like a bitch trying to sh*t stir for all I know.

[Cherie]

Don't really see the comparisons. Jale is acting as if Chris knifed her in the back by not telling her he was the PHM when she knows full well the PHM was not allowed to say. She also went on about how awful if was for her to have to keep his secret, firstly he didn't entrust her with the secret, some random over the wall did and secondly she had been expressly told in the DR to keep it zipped.


With Danielle they were having a conversation, there was no agreement between either of them not to relay what the other one had said, and I'm pretty sure Chris is well aware that any conversation he might have with most people in the house will not remain private especially if he complains the other HMs are boring him

[kefln]

Just thinking...

Jale confided in Danielle.

And Danielle dropped Chris in it without a second thought.

Could she drop the PH bombshell too?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by kefln

Friends argue. I've had numerous bust ups with friends over the years.

We the viewers know that Jale was right, Chris was the PH. So getting upset about him lying about it was correct. But we also know that Chris doesn't want it to get out, naturally. So both had a strong case. There was nothing vicious, or irreparable said. And if Jale were to become PH, she might come around to his thinking on it.

She has no right to be upset about him lying about it though, it's part of Big Brother to keep stuff like that secret, she knows this, why is she trying to make him feel bad for something like this? She's being very unfair

Originally Posted by kefln

Chris never mentioned Jale in his nomination. He mentioned her behaviour and that he heard the crowd.

So blaming her because of an assumption made without evidence seems rather pointless.

And her argument points were not about the nominations. She just didn't like that he lied to her. Thats all.

No he didn't mention her but at the point in time Jale was Paulines No1 target, she was getting a really rough time from her so it is quite possible that Chris did it for her benefit. Nominating Pauline was really putting himself on the chopping board and I think jale owed it to him -as a person who's felt the wrath of Paulines hatred- to keep her gob shut whether or not he was the PH, her telling everyone was going to make things very tough in there for him. You would think she would be able to have a bit more empathy considering the time she'd been having in there

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by kefln

Its annoying that she was looking for the truth?

Isn't HM's demanding to know if something is a "secret task" pretty much standard in the house?


How exactly did Chris protect Jale?

As I mentioned, he explained his reasons, and they had nothing to do with her. And during Jale's confrontation with Pauline, where was Chris? Not there.

There was no protection. Thats a fallacy.

And everytime it happens............it annoys me

[Robodog]

I'm surprised Jale took Chris's PH revelation so seriously.

I thought she'd just sympathise with his awkward position, remember it's only a game and just laugh it off.

Maybe she is simply letting off some steam at the one person she can without the whole group blowing up at her. Chris can take it. I think they are cool with each other really.

I think what Danielle did is worse. She effectively agreed with Chris's words and then went running to the group with a juicy bit of information about him, like it 'buys' her some street cred with the cool gang.

[mrflibble]

I don't think Jale did the wrong thing by telling her close allies, in some ways. She did say she wasn't going to say anything, but if people found out the equivalent of that kind of information in the real world, they're likely going to tell a close friend or two. I'm only wondering if they can be trusted to not share it. Since it was Jale confiding, they may view it as 'Jale's secret' rather than something for the whole house to know. I'm really hoping they don't say anything (I'm assuming they haven't. I'm watching from the other side of the world, so I miss out on some stuff). But Big Brother also strongly hinted to not tell anyone what she heard, and she did it anyway. Bit disappointing though. I also don't like how she's been hounding him to admit it. He is listening to BB and was told NOT TO TELL ANYONE. Why is it so hard for these people to understand the meaning of 'secret'?

What was the Danielle situation? Was that when she told them he thought their conversations were boring? I don't think that conversation between Danielle and Chris was a particularly private one, and I also wondered if it was a test because it hasn't seemed like they are that close and Chris seems like he wouldn't reveal information to housemates that he didn't mind getting spread amongst them.

[chuff me dizzy]

Ive defended Jale since day one, but got to say I didnt like what she did, she told Chris she wouldnt say anything,but broke her neck to tell 2 of them

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Ive defended Jale since day one, but got to say I didnt like what she did, she told Chris she wouldnt say anything,but broke her neck to tell 2 of them

Same here. I really liked her until that moment. What a let down. Hope it's just a one off.

[smeagol]

They compare for a few reason. both are dirty rats. and both have game plans and will sacrifice there own mothers to win it.

nothing worst than a nark they both should of been cows as they like grass so much

[Marsh.]

Yeah, I don't think Jale's actions were as bad as some people made out.

The only problem I had was her getting righteous about being "lied to". Fair enough if he was caught out lying to her about something else, but it was simply denying being the PH. It's part of the game, it's not serious, nothing to be offended about. Just like when someone tells porkies about who they may or may not nominate. Or, as in the past, when they've had secret missions.

After all these years you'd think they'd learn that sussing out a secret task and confirming it 99% of the time results in something bad.

When it comes to the tasks anyway, shut your mouth, let them pass and you may get a reward out of it.

[Vanessa]

They both went own my estimations a lot for being a grass.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yeah, I don't think Jale's actions were as bad as some people made out.

The only problem I had was her getting righteous about being "lied to". Fair enough if he was caught out lying to her about something else, but it was simply denying being the PH. It's part of the game, it's not serious, nothing to be offended about. Just like when someone tells porkies about who they may or may not nominate. Or, as in the past, when they've had secret missions.

After all these years you'd think they'd learn that sussing out a secret task and confirming it 99% of the time results in something bad.

When it comes to the tasks anyway, shut your mouth, let them pass and you may get a reward out of it.

She might be genuinely thick and just not get it, but I don't think she is

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

She might be genuinely thick and just not get it, but I don't think she is

Nah, she seemed to be very understanding of "the game" when Pauline gave her the killer nom........and that should have been more of a reason for her to get upset about

[Bluerang1]

Both instances were great TV.