[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Vladimir

I know this is a bit off topic, but does anyone know what was Helen referring to when she said 'Mathew was going to hurt Mark'? She repeated it a few times.

She seems to think he's going to be a backstabbing friend to Mark.

[Jamesy]

To be fair to Matthew he only said his comment very quietly and not even in a serious way. He was clearly finding it funny seeing them play and made a quick comment with no intention to harm... Helen saying he should be in a different room annoyed me. I bet 10 quid if he was in another room on his own Helen would have been there bitching about him "not wanting to be a part of the group" - or some sh*te along those lines.

I think Helen's points were fair enough but her execution of getting these points across was terrible... saying she overreacted would be an understatement. She was obviously just, yet again, looking for someone to have an argument with. Points that could have been understood just turned into the usual Helen looking like a twat saga.

[Vladimir]

Originally Posted by Shaun

She seems to think he's going to be a backstabbing friend to Mark.

Thanks! I don't know what made her think that, but I really like Mark's and Matt's friendship, it seems genuine.

[flamingGalah!]

No, she was completely in the wrong...

Matthew made one small comment & she blew it completely out of proportion then used it to attack him. It seems she has been looking for a fight with him for some time & she just used this as an excuse & even if he had said something deliberately to piss her off, what right does she have to launch into a tirade of vile abuse?? She is a vile, abusive, aggressive mess...

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by smeagol

lol @gold pressed latinum think steven is very fungeri though not sure he has the lobes.

first rule of aqusition treat your friends like your family and exploit them lol

or
Helen = Kira Nerys
Matthew = Gul Dukat

[Tom4784]

She flew off the handle for no reason because she wanted a reason to argue with Matthew, her 'justifications' came later and were flimsy excuses at best. I don't understand how anyone could defend her in that situation. Matthew did nothing wrong.

[Sophiee]

Originally Posted by Vladimir

I know this is a bit off topic, but does anyone know what was Helen referring to when she said 'Mathew was going to hurt Mark'? She repeated it a few times.

I'm totally baffled by this too. it seems like it was just a chance for her to have an 'excuse' for disliking him, when he's shown no signs of anything of the sort. they both seem to have a lot of respect for each other.

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

If she had an issue, she could have just said, rather than jumping up and shouting at the top of her voice. She lost any "point" she may have had by doing that, as far as I'm concerned.

And all Matthew said was "This is why I'm not playing" quietly. Not really something to get furious about. But yeah, he could have just kept quiet too.

She could have handled it better but he is coming across as a sanctimonious twat at the moment

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

She flew off the handle for no reason because she wanted a reason to argue with Matthew, her 'justifications' came later and were flimsy excuses at best. I don't understand how anyone could defend her in that situation. Matthew did nothing wrong.

He was being a huge bore, if he didnt want to play he should have f..ked off to another part of the house but he wanted to sit there sniffing his disgust while others played.

Jale was the one asked the questioned, and she answered it with a smile on her face, which would indicate that she may have been having fun, enjoying herself, like others before her have done in the Big brother House

unfortunately it seems there is now a team of bores in this house, intent in stifling all forms of fun & enjoyment

[Sophiee]

Originally Posted by Miranda123

He was being a huge bore, if he didnt want to play he should have f..ked off to another part of the house but he wanted to sit there sniffing his disgust while others played.

Jale was the one asked the questioned, and she answered it with a smile on her face, which would indicate that she may have been having fun, enjoying herself, like others before her have done in the Big brother House

unfortunately it seems there is now a team of bores in this house, intent in stifling all forms of fun & enjoyment

not wanting to talk about sex does not equate to being a 'huge bore' whatsoever.

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by Sophiee

not wanting to talk about sex does not equate to being a 'huge bore' whatsoever.

he didnt have to talk about anything, he just had to take his disapproving mush and get the f..k out of there

[Nedusa]

To be fair Matthew should have got up and just headbutted the Gobby cow .

Would have been thrown out of the house for it, but it would have made great telly and he would have got a lot of cheers for his efforts.

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

To be fair Matthew should have got up and just headbutted the Gobby cow .

Would have been thrown out of the house for it, but it would have made great telly and he would have got a lot of cheers for his efforts.

I, for one, would not cheer at a man headbutting a woman

but I dont think it counts if its Matthew

#lightweight

[jet]

Originally Posted by Miranda123

he didnt have to talk about anything, he just had to take his disapproving mush and get the f..k out of there

Is that you Helen?

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Miranda123

I, for one, would not cheer at a man headbutting a woman

but I dont think it counts if its Matthew

#lightweight

Who said she was a woman...?

Besides a headbutt from Matthew would feel like light tap on the forehead...

[Sophiee]

Originally Posted by Miranda123

he didnt have to talk about anything, he just had to take his disapproving mush and get the f..k out of there

why should he? he can go wherever he wants, it's not helen's or anybody else's decision.

[RodHull]

Originally Posted by smeagol

if someone doesn't want to join in normal people just try to entice them or wind them up . she must of played games before where others dont want to play.
im sure we have all played a game of truth dare strip shag power with whips and chains so we know some wont play. lol

yeah he is a bit snooty but everyne has their faults. as you said its basiclaly a excuse for her to go of on one

TBF he admitted he was doing exactly what she thought to Toya and Ashleigh later that night. So she was right... but still a twat

[Jack_]

He just shouldn't have said anything really, there was no need for it. If you're not enjoying something either stay quiet or leave the room, I mean like she said out of everyone there you'd have thought it would've been Danielle with the problem but she stayed there and laughed along with everyone.

Her reaction was ridiculously over the top though (but hilariously entertaining), that was where she let herself down.

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

To be fair Matthew should have got up and just headbutted the Gobby cow .

Would have been thrown out of the house for it, but it would have made great telly and he would have got a lot of cheers for his efforts.

I would prefer the other way around. Then Helen is ejected and arrested and Matthew forced to walk as a result of his injury.

[aman201]

Originally Posted by Jack_

He just shouldn't have said anything really, there was no need for it. If you're not enjoying something either stay quiet or leave the room, I mean like she said out of everyone there you'd have thought it would've been Danielle with the problem but she stayed there and laughed along with everyone.

Her reaction was ridiculously over the top though (but hilariously entertaining), that was where she let herself down.

His comment was so off the cuff though.

It was a throwaway comment.

She even eventually admitted in the diary room that she reacted like she did due to her underlying suspicions on Matthew.

Her reaction was not because of his comment, but her hidden hate for him.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Jack_

He just shouldn't have said anything really, there was no need for it. If you're not enjoying something either stay quiet or leave the room, I mean like she said out of everyone there you'd have thought it would've been Danielle with the problem but she stayed there and laughed along with everyone.

Her reaction was ridiculously over the top though (but hilariously entertaining), that was where she let herself down.

You forget that earlier in the series they were all talking about sex and Danielle made a HUGE HUGE fuss about it - and they carried on talking about it.....
Matthew says he isn't playing, he doesn't say that anyone else should stop - and Helen goes ape**** and spoils the fun for the rest of them who wanted to carry on. All they had to say to Matthew was 'fair enough, we accept you don't want to join in' - but Helen didn't give anyone the chance. She was looking for an excuse to get at him and she jumped at it.

[Jack_]

I'm not forgetting it at all? My point was that because of the way she'd reacted previously to conversations like that you'd have thought it would be her reacting again, not Matthew...

Actually what he said was 'and that's why I'm not playing' straight after Jale answered a question quite happily, he piped up for no reason to throw an unnecessary dig in. If he'd have just kept quiet or walked off then Helen wouldn't have said anything. Her reaction was unnecessary, but so was his initial comment.

[Jords]

I always moan when people want to play this or "Never Have I Ever"

[jet]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I'm not forgetting it at all? My point was that because of the way she'd reacted previously to conversations like that you'd have thought it would be her reacting again, not Matthew...

Actually what he said was 'and that's why I'm not playing' straight after Jale answered a question quite happily, he piped up for no reason to throw an unnecessary dig in. If he'd have just kept quiet or walked off then Helen wouldn't have said anything. Her reaction was unnecessary, but so was his initial comment.

The very fact that you are saying "he piped up for no reason to throw an unnecessary dig in" means you are attributing actions and thoughts to him that are just your interpretation based on what you want to believe rather than what was seen on screen - someone just saying 'I don't want to play'.
He didn't add "And no - one else better not play either"!

Afterwards we hear the Helen and co's version - "He did it cause he's a stuck up fu**ker and wanted to spoil our fun - he followed us in from the garden!" or something along those lines...if people believe that it is because that is what they want to believe - all without any evidence whatsoever - because maybe he DID want to play but didn't want the sex talk version?
Then you say he could just have walked off - aha! Do you really think that Helen wouldn't have used that too as ammunition against him? When that girl wants to have a go - she'll find a way...surely you know that by now...

[Jack_]

Nothing to do with my interpretation I'm afraid, he didn't just say 'I don't want to play' which would have been a perfectly reasonable comment, he said and I quote 'oh God...this is why I'm not playing' immediately after the awkward laughter and Mark's 'what the ****' comment that followed Winston's question to Jale about if she had given a titwank before. Watch it back because that's what he says and therefore he did pass a negative judgement on the game that they were playing, he didn't just say he didn't want to play, he threw in an unnecessary dig just like I said.

Helen's a psycho as I've already made clear, but Matthew's comment wasn't needed.