[Yaki da]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foEqMHevuaQ

For clarification...

Ashleigh asks Kimberly and Helen...

"Would I be right in saying Helen and Kimberly were bitching/gossiping about myself and Danielle in the toilets"


Helen and Kimberly's response... "No that's never happened"


Note that on Digital Spy the people who don't like Ashleigh are deliberately leaving out the fact she included the word "gossiping" in the question and are arguing over the definition of the word "bitching".

[erinp5]

It did happen
Here is the clip

Youtube video

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by erinp5

It did happen
Here is the clip

Youtube video

Yep, but as I said, there's some people (posters on Digital Spy) trying to make out that they weren't bitching. Imo they clearly were (I don't have a problem with that) but even if you try to argue about the definition of the word, the fact is Ashleigh asked if they were "Bitching/gossiping" about her and Danielle in the toilet.

[rionablue]

Ashleigh is a bigger bitch than any of them. I know Helen is vile and her voice is grating and she is like a timebomb about to explode but Ashleigh has bitched constantly with Danielle with the last week. Fed up with her. Let the girls deny it. She can sod off

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by rionablue

Ashleigh is a bigger bitch than any of them.

Well no actually. She's not a bigger bitch that someone whose abuse has been so aggressive and insulting she's had to be called to the diary room on countless occasions to be warned about bullying.

I know Helen is vile and her voice is grating and she is like a timebomb about to explode but Ashleigh has bitched constantly with Danielle with the last week. Fed up with her. Let the girls deny it. She can sod off

Yes we all know they bitch. That is not the point dear. The fact is Helen and Kimberly have just lied about it and been caught out doing so.

No one has a problem with them bitching, or even lying. It's just amusing to see them oblivious to the fact that Ashleigh already knew the answer, lying about the truth and then trying to put it down to Toya.

[Josy]

Why is Ashleigh pulling anyone up about bitching, she's the biggest bitcher in that house

[ImBatman]

Originally Posted by Josy

Why is Ashleigh pulling anyone up about bitching, she's the biggest bitcher in that house

Nope Helen has that crown mate!

[Marsh.]

Coming from Ashleigh who hasn't spoken a single sentence in two weeks that didn't contain the word "Helen"?

[Josy]

So yeah we can add hypocrite to the ever growing list of descriptive words for Ashleigh.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by ImBatman

Nope Helen has that crown mate!

No...Helen has bitched, she's nasty and aggressive etc but Ashleigh bitches with Danielle more than any other housemate.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Josy

Why is Ashleigh pulling anyone up about bitching, she's the biggest bitcher in that house

She isn't pulling them up on it. She's merely asking if they were "bitching/gossiping" in the toilets about her and Danielle to see if they would tell the truth.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Josy

No...Helen has bitched, she's nasty and aggressive etc but Ashleigh bitches with Danielle more than any other housemate.

Not really. And even if she does, it matters little to the point of this thread.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

She isn't pulling them up on it at all. She's merely asking if they were "bitching/gossiping" in the toilets about her and Danielle to see if they would tell the truth.

Have I missed the episode where Ashleigh was truthful with the housemates about all of her bitching?

Surely you can see were my hypocritical comment comes in?

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Not really. And even if she does, it matters little to the point of this thread.

It actually does matter to the point of the thread because Ashleigh is interested to see if Helen and Kimberly will admit to bitching when she never does, again that's hypocritical.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Josy

Have I missed the episode where Ashleigh was truthful with the housemates about all of her bitching?

Has anyone asked her? And again, why does this matter to the point that Helen and Kimberly have clearly been caught out lying?

Surely you can see were my hypocritical comment comes in?

Not really. Ashleigh is just messing with their heads. Not taking a moral stand.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Has anyone asked her? And again, why does this matter to the point that Helen and Kimberly have clearly been caught out lying?



Not really. Ashleigh is just messing with their heads. Not taking a moral stand.

Who cares if Kimberly and Helen lied? they aren't the only ones and if you need an example just look back at tonight's show when Ashleigh lied straight to Ash's face in the bedroom.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Josy

It actually does matter to the point of the thread because Ashleigh is interested to see if Helen and Kimberly will admit to bitching when she never does, again that's hypocritical.

No, she's just messing with their heads and seeing what they say. And they lied to someone who already knew the answer, rather amusingly.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

No, she's just messing with their heads and seeing what they say. And they lied to someone who already knew the answer, rather amusingly.

How is that messing with their heads? I think you are giving Ashleigh a tad too much credit tbh.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Josy

Who cares if Kimberly and Helen lied?

Those of us who find it amusing. Especially given that Ashleigh already knew the answer.

they aren't the only ones

Who said they were?

and if you need an example just look back at tonight's show when Ashleigh lied straight to Ash's face in the bedroom.

I've no problem with people lying in this game. I just find it amusing that Kimberly and Helen lied to a question the person who asked it already knew the answer to. And are going to try to put it down to Toya's influence.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Josy

How is that messing with their heads? I think you are giving Ashleigh a tad too much credit tbh.

Of course it's messed with their heads. They were taken aback at the question.

[Josy]

Ok..

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Josy

No...Helen has bitched, she's nasty and aggressive etc but Ashleigh bitches with Danielle more than any other housemate.

Given that BB have been giving Helen a good edit since the start I think it's a bit unfair to say that Ashleigh is the bigger bitch when we haven't even seen the worst of Helen. Ashleigh could very well be justified in her actions.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Given that BB have been giving Helen a good edit since the start I think it's a bit unfair to say that Ashleigh is the bigger bitch when we haven't even seen the worst of Helen. Ashleigh could very well be justified in her actions.

Everything we discuss comes from what we are shown in the highlights and the clips we are provided with, don't really see why it should suddenly be different now?

And from what we have seen so far it's pretty obvious to me who the person is that bitches about the other housemates the most (I never said biggest bitch btw)

You are assuming that Helens been given a good edit too.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Given that BB have been giving Helen a good edit since the start I think it's a bit unfair to say that Ashleigh is the bigger bitch when we haven't even seen the worst of Helen. Ashleigh could very well be justified in her actions.

Of course she's justified. Even with the good edit, her main target (Helen) has been a loudmouthed, aggressive bullly.

[Cal.]

Ashleigh and Danielle vs. Helen and Kimberly.