[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

So Helen feels Steven was unjustly booed..and slates the public for ruining peoples lives..
Did she think how Coleen might have felt when she slept with her husband...now THATS playing with people's lives...BB is a gameshow..Steven showed everyone what a self centred knob he is...Coleen was an innocent party but she never thought of that did she....different when her friends are involved.

Totally unfair,what she did was wrong but NOTHING to do with BB,funny how people judge on a housemates past when it suits,Helen is genuinely upset Steven has gone,but if it suits peoples agenda to twist that fact,I guess they will.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Rageofangels

That's worth a quote. I completely agree. She is a fun housemate and good to watch, but she has a REALLY nasty side too.

I think you will find we ALL have a nasty side,people think they are so much better than Helen,LOL,just LOOK at some of the comments about her through this forum,we are no better than her at all.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I think you will find we ALL have a nasty side,people think they are so much better than Helen,LOL,just LOOK at some of the comments about her through this forum,we are no better than her at all.

Sweeping generalisation there to justify her ridiculous behaviour.

[Jake.]

I agree with what she said about the crowd (just not the beating them up bit)

[Tip]

I don't get why people would desire to go on a program then complain about how it pans out, although they know it works like that.

Really if it's so disgusting then don't feed it by applying to be on it.

You set yourself up to be judged, then cry because you are judged?
You set yourself up to be known by the public, and love being cheered but cry about boos?

I don't really get these people at all.

[Patricia4]

I don't get them either Tip they know what the show is about.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Sweeping generalisation there to justify her ridiculous behaviour.

When did I justify her behaviour? What Helen is ,Helen is,she doesn't put on any airs and graces,she is what she is,all I am saying are we really any different? I've called people names,I've effed and jeffed so,how are we different?

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

She's not in there for being mrs lovely from lovely town..
They were ALL chosen for their negative qualities.

....and she has more than all of them put together

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Totally unfair,what she did was wrong but NOTHING to do with BB,funny how people judge on a housemates past when it suits,Helen is genuinely upset Steven has gone,but if it suits peoples agenda to twist that fact,I guess they will.

So Danielle wasn't judged the??....she was then judged by the housemates when they got word she wasn't what she made out to be....and the biggest judge was HELEN..

[Daffodil]

I am wondering if she fancied Steven.

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by JTM45

"They wanna see people's confidence broken down....who does that ?" uuuhhhhhh YOU Helen......YOU did that to Jale for weeks on end and reveled in it too!
The same as her saying that she felt awful for Steven because he didn't know what he was doing wrong and he's just a nice guy..........that's been Pav's entire BB experience and i haven't seen her feeling bad for him once!!!

The girl is unreal!!!!!
No wonder she felt such an affinity with Steven! They're both extremely unaware 'me' people.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

So Danielle wasn't judged the??....she was then judged by the housemates when they got word she wasn't what she made out to be....and the biggest judge was HELEN..

She may have been,doesn't make it right,I quite liked Danielle ,her past didn't bother me as do none of their pasts,people makes mistakes in life,we all learn from them.I think the difference is Danielle lied to them,Helen hasn't.

[aimat2]

here here

[Tip]

Interesting.

I'm not sure that their past doesn't have some bearing. Why shouldn't it?
I don't know whether Helen has told them about her past, or kept quiet about it - but she takes a strange moral stance on some things given her past.

People make mistakes it is true, people make mistakes in the house too - what's the difference?

Helen isn't fundamentally more honest than anyone else in there as far as I can see although she makes very loud claims about her own honesty and integrity - which is just amusing.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Totally unfair,what she did was wrong but NOTHING to do with BB,funny how people judge on a housemates past when it suits,Helen is genuinely upset Steven has gone,but if it suits peoples agenda to twist that fact,I guess they will.

But it has a lot to do with BB. Helen should never have even considered going on the show because doing so, especially at world - cup time, was obviously going to rake up the whole Rooney thing again in the tabloids. Did she care that it was going to re - open old wounds for Colleen? It showed she had no regrets and no consideration at all for Colleen and her young family.
That's the biggest problem I have with Helen; and what I have seen of her in the house confirms for me that she has no self awareness at all or consideration for anyone outside of herself and her chosen group.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Tip

Interesting.

I'm not sure that their past doesn't have some bearing. Why shouldn't it?
I don't know whether Helen has told them about her past, or kept quiet about it - but she takes a strange moral stance on some things given her past.

People make mistakes it is true, people make mistakes in the house too - what's the difference?

Helen isn't fundamentally more honest than anyone else in there as far as I can see although she makes very loud claims about her own honesty and integrity - which is just amusing.

Helen has hinted to Ash about her past she cannot go into detail as there is an injunction on it,seems people forget that,and IF she told the house ,I don't think it would make that much difference infact they might like her even more,she probably wants to put the Rooney thing behind her,it seems its us that don't.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by jet

But it has a lot to do with BB. Helen should never have even considered going on the show because doing so, especially at world - cup time, was obviously going to rake up the whole Rooney thing again in the tabloids. Did she care that it was going to re - open old wounds for Colleen? It showed she had no regrets and no consideration at all for Colleen and her young family.
That's the biggest problem I have with Helen; and what I have seen of her in the house confirms for me that she has no self awareness at all or consideration for anyone outside of herself and her chosen group.

Colleen seems to have dealt with it,it just seems to be a few of the public that wont let Helen get past that part of her life,none of us know the details,it's not our business,and Helen has not once tried to bring up the Rooney episode,let is go for Gods sake,people have to move on in life.

[Pincho Paxton]

I think that some of them are just to embarrassed to admit that they hardly ever watch Big Brother. Helen is a party girl, she's not going to be watching BB much.

[Tip]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Helen has hinted to Ash about her past she cannot go into detail as there is an injunction on it,seems people forget that,and IF she told the house ,I don't think it would make that much difference infact they might like her even more,she probably wants to put the Rooney thing behind her,it seems its us that don't.

I don't actually care who wins this BB - but I can imagine that the innocent victims of what went on in the past may also want to put what she did behind them, and they would not appreciate the publicity and potential prize she could get from doing this. It doesn't seem that she cares about that or she wouldn't be on this programme.

If you gained notoriety for doing something unpopular - then it's silly to think you can try to gain nothing but favour if you court further publicity by going on these types of programmes. Is she trying to show that she is a lovely, honest and moral person so that the public think differently about her?

I don't think it matters whether her friends in the house like her more or not, it's the public that should count in the end and she must have known that her past would be relevant to them? Or maybe not - I'm not sure at all quite how her mind works.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Colleen seems to have dealt with it,it just seems to be a few of the public that wont let Helen get past that part of her life,none of us know the details,it's not our business,and Helen has not once tried to bring up the Rooney episode,let is go for Gods sake,people have to move on in life.

How do you know how Colleen dealt with it, do you expect her to cry in public? Do you think the girl is made of stone?
If Helen wanted to get past that part of her life she shouldn't have went on BB when it was going to be splashed all over the tabloids again.
By the way, I believe there is a gagging order so Helen couldn't talk about it even if she wanted to - but why would she even want to let the HM's know that she could have played a part in potentially breaking up a young family?

[Kizzy]

So wayne didn't ask for an escort then?... he knew the risks, he's not completely stupid.
He hurt his family not helen.

[Tip]

Of course he is at fault - but that doesn't mean Helen has no culpability.

Anyone who goes into that profession is fully aware of the possible consequences for families. Often they'll try and take credit for "saving" marriages, but it seems they won't admit any responsibility for breaking them up.

The fuss she made about Kim getting into the shower with Winston was very weird when you know her past, but not so weird if you don't know it. I don't know if there is self-protective denial going on or just out and out lack of honesty and integrity but it is rather difficult to perceive her as glowing with virtue.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

So wayne didn't ask for an escort then?... he knew the risks, he's not completely stupid.
He hurt his family not helen.

He is the one responsible for his families hurt, yes. Absolutely. If it wasn't Helen, it would have been someone else.

But do you really believe that Helen is blameless? She knew who he was, she knew he was married with young children, she could always have said the magic word 'NO'

As the whole thing came out into the open and she knew the hurt caused to Colleen, she should not later have gone on BB to re - open old wounds. 100% NOT. That is a selfish and self serving act with no regard for a young families distress. She is to blame for THAT.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

He is the one responsible for his families hurt, yes. Absolutely. If it wasn't Helen, it would have been someone else.

But do you really believe that Helen is blameless? She knew who he was, she knew he was married with young children, she could always have said the magic word 'NO'

As the whole thing came out into the open and she knew the hurt caused to Colleen, she should not later have gone on BB to re - open old wounds. 100% NOT. That is a selfish and self serving act with no regard for a young families distress. She is to blame for THAT.

Colleen for whatever reason decided to stay with wayne so their lives have moved forward.. is helens life not allowed to?
Why should she skulk in the shadows away from the public, she serves as a reminder to rooney of his misdemeanors maybe? maybe next time he'll go home to his family instead of paying for company....

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by jet

How do you know how Colleen dealt with it, do you expect her to cry in public? Do you think the girl is made of stone?
If Helen wanted to get past that part of her life she shouldn't have went on BB when it was going to be splashed all over the tabloids again.
By the way, I believe there is a gagging order so Helen couldn't talk about it even if she wanted to - but why would she even want to let the HM's know that she could have played a part in potentially breaking up a young family?

I don't Jet ,and neither do you, she is still with him so that tells me they must have got past what some of the public haven't,and it's for them to deal with ,not us,and don't you forget,Wayne is just as much to blame,Helen did wrong, does she have to pay for that the rest of her life? I've seen murderers get away with less!!! look at my earlier posts,I felt like you, but have THOUGHT about it and can see that she is only human with flaws,tell me what human isn't?