[Northern Monkey]

I think Helen winning was the perfect ending to this series tbh.While i congratulate Helens fans for voting her to win and getting the result they wanted,The end result reflected what a terrible series this actually was.
The pass to the final was like ridiculous joke whoever would have got it.
The amount of meddling with nomminations made this more like a TOWIEesque drama than 'reality',The power being taken away from the voters.
The housemates being tipped off as to how they're doing in the show at every opportunity during tasks goes against everything that BB is about.
Ex house mates going in for tasks and parties and feeding information to them should not be allowed.
Discussing nominations with no punishments.
The awful editing and bias week in week out.
It's little wonder Emma's getting visibly pissed off with what's happened to Big Brother and seems dumb founded and embarrassed tonight,She is too good a presenter to be mixed up in this shambles.
Helen was the perfect winner for this series as the result highlighted what a joke it has been.It seems we now have a spoof or parody of BB.
I am glad Helen won in hindsight,Maybe in future series',Idiotic ideas like a pass to the final will be left on the cutting room floor and forgotten about.
Just my thoughts on this series but congrats to the people who got a good result,I mean that

[jessicadanielle]

I thought the pass was completely pointless because if the pass was given to someone who would have never got to the final on their own anyway there was no chance they'd win. Clearly I was wrong!
It must be a bittersweet win for Helen. She'll always know that she only won because she had that pass. I'm sure the 100k will heal the wounds though

[puzzled]

Pass or not, Helen won because she got more votes than the others.

[Cal.]

Originally Posted by puzzled

Pass or not, Helen won because she got more votes than the others.

The campaign for Helen to win would not have been able to stop her from being evicted earlier on, and I doubt she had the support who helped her to win tonight in week 1 or 2.

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by puzzled

Pass or not, Helen won because she got more votes than the others.

Of course, but Tamara, for example, could have been given the pass and Helen would have been out instead of her. Everyone would still hate her and be glad to see the back of her. Just funny how much it changed the series

[rusticgal]

It was a total mockery. It wasn't a true win. Helen never faced 'eviction'...she never faced 'vote to evict' only vote to win. Rylan saying this is the first week you faced eviction wasn't true. Vote to win is completely different had it been vote to evict she would not have won.
The whole meddling with shown footage was biased against certain housemates...ex housemates getting involved showed complete bias..Danielle's eviction was unfair...it was a complete farce on the concept of Big Brother so the winner wasn't worthy or a true reflection on the outcome.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by puzzled

Pass or not, Helen won because she got more votes than the others.

You don't know that to be 100% sure, they could have told us a lie. We'll never find out.

And an independent adjudicator could quite easily be payed off to keep quiet. And we'd never find out/

[Lex]

Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

I thought the pass was completely pointless because if the pass was given to someone who would have never got to the final on their own anyway there was no chance they'd win. Clearly I was wrong!
It must be a bittersweet win for Helen. She'll always know that she only won because she had that pass. I'm sure the 100k will heal the wounds though

I agree with you totally Jessica! [makes a change huh. lol]...Though I am pleased that Helen eventually conquered Ashleigh...I was, and am still totally against BB interference in the natural outcome of the contest, and believe that Helen would have been out in the first eviction! ....This may sound contradictory, but it isn't really,...you see for the first five or so weeks, I was as against Helen as anyone...but her personality and my deeper looking into her true character , slowly won me over, bit by bit until she ranked alongside St. Christopher for me...and ultimately I wanted her to finish second behind Christopher.
....But having said that...I still would not be in agreement with Helen's [or anyone's] pass to the final...because who knows how much better it would have been without Helen!?...Perhaps Christopher would have won?...without Helen, Ashleigh might have been too confident and exposed even more of her evil-plotting-side? lol. ...perhaps Loony-Danielle [one of my other faves] wouldn't have been turfed out?...etc!
....In short...No matter of tonight's result..I would much prefer a natural run without the artificial manipulation from BB!

[armand.kay]

Found it funny tbh

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

I think Helen winning was the perfect ending to this series tbh.While i congratulate Helens fans for voting her to win and getting the result they wanted,The end result reflected what a terrible series this actually was.
The pass to the final was like ridiculous joke whoever would have got it.
The amount of meddling with nomminations made this more like a TOWIEesque drama than 'reality',The power being taken away from the voters.
The housemates being tipped off as to how they're doing in the show at every opportunity during tasks goes against everything that BB is about.
Ex house mates going in for tasks and parties and feeding information to them should not be allowed.
Discussing nominations with no punishments.
The awful editing and bias week in week out.
It's little wonder Emma's getting visibly pissed off with what's happened to Big Brother and seems dumb founded and embarrassed tonight,She is too good a presenter to be mixed up in this shambles.
Helen was the perfect winner for this series as the result highlighted what a joke it has been.It seems we now have a spoof or parody of BB.
I am glad Helen won in hindsight,Maybe in future series',Idiotic ideas like a pass to the final will be left on the cutting room floor and forgotten about.
Just my thoughts on this series but congrats to the people who got a good result,I mean that

Totally agree... Been saying this for ten weeks.

Ps. With hindsight I'm also glad Helen won as reinforces the complete shambles that was BB15.



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[delta]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

I think Helen winning was the perfect ending to this series tbh.While i congratulate Helens fans for voting her to win and getting the result they wanted,The end result reflected what a terrible series this actually was.
The pass to the final was like ridiculous joke whoever would have got it.
The amount of meddling with nomminations made this more like a TOWIEesque drama than 'reality',The power being taken away from the voters.
The housemates being tipped off as to how they're doing in the show at every opportunity during tasks goes against everything that BB is about.
Ex house mates going in for tasks and parties and feeding information to them should not be allowed.
Discussing nominations with no punishments.
The awful editing and bias week in week out.
It's little wonder Emma's getting visibly pissed off with what's happened to Big Brother and seems dumb founded and embarrassed tonight,She is too good a presenter to be mixed up in this shambles.
Helen was the perfect winner for this series as the result highlighted what a joke it has been.It seems we now have a spoof or parody of BB.
I am glad Helen won in hindsight,Maybe in future series',Idiotic ideas like a pass to the final will be left on the cutting room floor and forgotten about.
Just my thoughts on this series but congrats to the people who got a good result,I mean that

No, the pass to the final showed the intrinsic weakness of the show, people like Helen should be allowed to flourish and go on a journey and under normal rules this wold never happen. She would have been out in the first one or two weeks.


I would champion a change in format, there is way too much interference from BB the only year in the series of the history of BB where a group where allowed to form a pact and strategically block vote others out and that group would watch each others backs, was the year Victor was in it and he should have won.

But there is an inherent weakness to the show where the strongest characters are voted out by the public and his shouldn't be allowed, We don't want to see blandness, we don't want to see boring, we don't want to see arguing for argument's sake (Christopher). Interesting conversation, yes, but how many of the victim's group offered us an alternative when they withdrew themselves? Exactly, all they did was screw their faces up and criticise.


I am not sure how you would change the format to have the most interesting remain in the house but that is what it needs, in my humble opinion.

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

I think Helen winning was the perfect ending to this series tbh.While i congratulate Helens fans for voting her to win and getting the result they wanted,The end result reflected what a terrible series this actually was.
The pass to the final was like ridiculous joke whoever would have got it.
The amount of meddling with nomminations made this more like a TOWIEesque drama than 'reality',The power being taken away from the voters.
The housemates being tipped off as to how they're doing in the show at every opportunity during tasks goes against everything that BB is about.
Ex house mates going in for tasks and parties and feeding information to them should not be allowed.
Discussing nominations with no punishments.
The awful editing and bias week in week out.
It's little wonder Emma's getting visibly pissed off with what's happened to Big Brother and seems dumb founded and embarrassed tonight,She is too good a presenter to be mixed up in this shambles.
Helen was the perfect winner for this series as the result highlighted what a joke it has been.It seems we now have a spoof or parody of BB.
I am glad Helen won in hindsight,Maybe in future series',Idiotic ideas like a pass to the final will be left on the cutting room floor and forgotten about.
Just my thoughts on this series but congrats to the people who got a good result,I mean that

Completely agree! I think that's why i gave up caring

[billy123]

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by delta

No, the pass to the final showed the intrinsic weakness of the show, people like Helen should be allowed to flourish and go on a journey and under normal rules this wold never happen. She would have been out in the first one or two weeks.


I would champion a change in format, there is way too much interference from BB the only year in the series of the history of BB where a group where allowed to form a pact and strategically block vote others out and that group would watch each others backs, was the year Victor was in it and he should have won.

But there is an inherent weakness to the show where the strongest characters are voted out by the public and his shouldn't be allowed, We don't want to see blandness, we don't want to see boring, we don't want to see arguing for argument's sake (Christopher). Interesting conversation, yes, but how many of the victim's group offered us an alternative when they withdrew themselves? Exactly, all they did was screw their faces up and criticise.


I am not sure how you would change the format to have the most interesting remain in the house but that is what it needs, in my humble opinion.

You make a good point and that is what the producers did this year,They kept an interesting housemate in.However,This is'nt Big Brother anymore,Even the choice of contestants was suspect,Almost if not all of them have danced in media circles or been on TV before.I want to see what happens when people with no media connections who have'nt been coached go in there,With NO outside contact and proper nomminations where the public have the power to vote out each nomminee each week.A twist should really be a twist and happen infrequently enough to make it so,At the moment it is a twist when they actually get to nomminate someone and the public vote them out.This is as i said in the OP a BB spoof imo.

[Chuckyegg]

The only way I could tolerate it this year is by accepting that it was not Big Brother.
Paid no resemblance to the show. Even the absolute basics were not there. No ordinary housemates. No isolation. I could go on.
The show must think we don't want to see a bunch of ordinary people, completely isolated, making bread and feeding chickens. They could be right. But this years format...and the increasing distortions over the years....absolutely stinks.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Chuckyegg

The only way I could tolerate it this year is by accepting that it was not Big Brother.
Paid no resemblance to the show. Even the absolute basics were not there. No ordinary housemates. No isolation. I could go on.
The show must think we don't want to see a bunch of ordinary people, completely isolated, making bread and feeding chickens. They could be right. But this years format...and the increasing distortions over the years....absolutely stinks.

Marjorie the chicken from bb1 had more personality and a bigger fan base then most channel 5 housemates.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by wannashag

Marjorie the chicken from bb1 had more personality and a bigger fan base then most channel 5 housemates.

True.lol.Nice Avatar pic btw.I have a guitar just like that,Although mine's not a vintage like Kieths probably is.

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Totally agree... Been saying this for ten weeks.

Ps. With hindsight I'm also glad Helen won as reinforces the complete shambles that was BB15.



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Well said a complete shambles so yes I guess Helen did deserve to win unfairly.

[Yoshi888]

Helen winning sends such a shocking message that being a bully can be rewarded and the same with ash. I think the general public just stopped caring about the show in a serious way because of the lack of control and manipulation. The people who voted Helen I hope when their children are bullied at school don't start crying about it when they are complicit in the society they have created. A piss poor result and reflects a lost society with no morals .

[CaudleHalbard]

The general public are dreadful aren't they! Lol!

[Razor]

This year has been a memorable low for BB.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Yoshi888

Helen winning sends such a shocking message that being a bully can be rewarded and the same with ash. I think the general public just stopped caring about the show in a serious way because of the lack of control and manipulation. The people who voted Helen I hope when their children are bullied at school don't start crying about it when they are complicit in the society they have created. A piss poor result and reflects a lost society with no morals .

Said this before and I'll say it again. If I thought Helen was a bully there would be no way in hell I would vote for her. I hate bullies, detest them.

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

The general public are dreadful aren't they! Lol!

Thankyoux

[billy123]

Originally Posted by Yoshi888

Helen winning sends such a shocking message that being a bully can be rewarded and the same with ash. I think the general public just stopped caring about the show in a serious way because of the lack of control and manipulation. The people who voted Helen I hope when their children are bullied at school don't start crying about it when they are complicit in the society they have created. A piss poor result and reflects a lost society with no morals .

Come off it Yoshi. Its behaving like a victim that turned people against Ashleigh in the first place.
Behaving like a bitch and mouthing off and then when confronted grabbing the baby bear and acting all upset is what lost her the £100,000 most people aren't daft enough to fall for that.
Dont think for a second continuing to try and portray Ashleigh as the victim now she lost will be any more succesful than it was while the show was still running.


OOOOOOOOO think of the children ownly 18 an a harrf

[jet]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Totally agree... Been saying this for ten weeks.

Ps. With hindsight I'm also glad Helen won as reinforces the complete shambles that was BB15.



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I agree in hindsight. Helen WAS a suitable winner for the shambles that was BB15.
The awful thing is, many of the voting public bought into it.
....but going by the amount of venom, abuse and name calling of a young girl not long out of school (*******igh, skank, etc etc etc by much older people who should know better, it isn't that surprising in the end that Helen took the win. Calling a teenager names with no basis for the names and mocking their appearance is just childish and cruel, but like attracts like. Helen loved doing that too, she admitted herself that she liked being nasty.
The viewers got the winner they deserved and she will be known as the worst winner of the worst series ever.
There might be worse to come in the future, but I won't know as I wont' be watching.

I'm not 'avin it.

[jet]

Originally Posted by bobnot

Come off it Yoshi. Its behaving like a victim that turned people against Ashleigh in the first place.
Behaving like a bitch and mouthing off and then when confronted grabbing the baby bear and acting all upset is what lost her the £100,000 most people aren't daft enough to fall for that.
Dont think for a second continuing to try and portray Ashleigh as the victim now she lost will be any more succesful than it was while the show was still running.


OOOOOOOOO think of the children ownly 18 an a harrf

Ashleigh never once portrayed herself as a victim. She never once went to the DR and cried 'why me' - unlike Helen who cried like a baby for sympathy (and it worked!)

In case you haven't noticed that was the reason Ashleigh was admired by so many - she DIDN'T play the weakling and was the only one who didn't suck around Helen to stop themselves getting bashed. She was a strong, resolute HM who didn't play the poor me card when things didn't go their way, unlike Helen.
Maybe you missed BOTS episodes where many of the guests said Ashleigh was a stronger person than Helen and that she never went into victim mode.
Do you even think things through when you watch BB?