[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Pronshi

She mentioned twice in the house living in a council house earlier in life.
Next she had nothing but intimidating behaviour and bullied housemates.
I am pretty sure had she not being in the house she would have been violent. Look at Charlie from BB10.

Pretty sure many people live in council houses in their earlier life but she's established a career, also you need to stop the idea of someone being a bad person for living in a council house... It's wrong and unfair

i'm not even gonna comment on the rest of that

[Pronshi]

Originally Posted by Firewire

Pretty sure many people live in council houses in their earlier life but she's established a career, also you need to stop the idea of someone being a bad person for living in a council house... It's wrong and unfair

i'm not even gonna comment on the rest of that

Because you know you are wrong...

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Pronshi

Everyone seems to be ignoring my point calling Conor a racist.
There is NO DOUBT Conor is a racist pig!

But why is it fair for Helen to do what Conor did only instead of Indians it's Irish. It seems people think it's no longer racist if colour isn't involved.

Technically, if she had a problem with white Irish people on the basis that they're Irish, it wouldn't be racism. It would, however, be xenophobia, which is along the same general lines.

I say IF because I have no idea if Helen has a problem with Irish people.

Originally Posted by Kazanne

It's not our business to 'forgive' her,lol ,it's for those closest to her and those she has wronged.

Actually, if you enter a show with a public vote and hope to win after behaving in a bad way, it is important for some viewers to "forgive" you.

Originally Posted by adamski94

She doesnt go around in sports gear drinking a cheap bottle of cider

That's quite a stereotypical image of a chav.

Originally Posted by Pronshi

I didn't call her a homeless person? A chav from what I have seen is.
Council housed a violent.

I'm not sure why council housing has to be brought into it.

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Pronshi

Because you know you are wrong...

If I knew I was wrong I wouldn't have argued with you in the first place

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Pronshi

She spent half her time in that house intoxicated.

I didn't call her a homeless person? A chav from what I have seen is.
Council housed and violent.

Living in a council house doesn't make someone a chav

[Pronshi]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

I'm not sure why council housing has to be brought into it.

That's what Chav means... I'm Irish I use the word smick. But chav by YOUR English definition is "Council Housed And Violent"
Not my words.

Ashleigh my favourite housemate is from a council estate, I am not using that to bash people. I am saying people are wrong using that word saying Helen isn't when CLEARLY she is.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Pronshi

She spent half her time in that house intoxicated.

I didn't call her a homeless person? A chav from what I have seen is.
Council housed and violent.

A chav is a term coined by the media to lump, label and stereotype working class people as all being a part of a culture which is violent, workshy and ridden with alcoholism and drug abuse. It's demonising and demeaning and has been made popular by politicians and the elite alike in an attempt to trample on those who are deprived of the most and lack the necessary means to better themselves

Can people please stop throwing this term around it's offensive and ignorant

[Pronshi]

Originally Posted by Firewire

If I knew I was wrong I wouldn't have argued with you in the first place

Then if you are right, prove me right. Life is all about perception.
Show me the error of my ways if you are right.
Instead of looking at my point then saying "Oh I just can't even read that"

If you wanna be right, show your right. Stop pussy footing around it.
Make your Queen Helen proud!

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Pronshi

Then if you are right, prove me right. Life is all about perception.
Show me the error of my ways if you are right.
Instead of looking at my point then saying "Oh I just can't even read that"

If you wanna be right, show your right. Stop pussy footing around it.
Make your Queen Helen proud!

She isn't my Queen though

[Pronshi]

Originally Posted by Jack_

A chav is a term coined by the media to lump, label and stereotype working class people as all being a part of a culture which is violent, workshy and ridden with alcoholism and drug abuse. It's demonising and demeaning and has been made popular by politicians and the elite alike in an attempt to trample on those who are deprived of the most and lack the necessary means to better themselves

Can people please stop throwing this term around it's offensive and ignorant

I was not the first to use that word... if you would see bothered to read the thread...
You would see Sam used it.

[Pronshi]

Originally Posted by Firewire

She isn't my Queen though

That is all you have to say?
I am assuming I am right then.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Pronshi

She spent half her time in that house intoxicated.

I didn't call her a homeless person? A chav from what I have seen is.
Council housed and violent.

She didn't live in a council house,and from what I have seen ,some people in 'council' houses are no more violent than anyone else and their houses are lovely!!!

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Pronshi

That is all you have to say?
I am assuming I am right then.

I have nothing to say because I'm not arguing with someone as ignorant as you who will throw around the term chav and use it as an insult towards someone who doesn't even remotely represent the definition of the word...

[Pronshi]

Originally Posted by kazanne

she didn't live in a council house,and from what i have seen ,some people in 'council' houses are no more violent than anyone else and their houses are lovely!!!

read the thread.

[Pronshi]

Originally Posted by Firewire

I have nothing to say because I'm not arguing with someone as ignorant as you who will throw around the term chav and use it as an insult towards someone who doesn't even remotely represent the definition of the word...

Bye then. x

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Pronshi

Bye then. x

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Pronshi

I was not the first to use that word... if you would see bothered to read the thread...
You would see Sam used it.

I quoted you because you attempted to define what a chav was, I was correcting you

I know other people have used it, hence why I said 'can people please stop throwing this term around'

[Pronshi]

This is all I can think of. How any of you can defend that.

[Pronshi]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I quoted you because you attempted to define what a chav was, I was correcting you

I know other people have used it, hence why I said 'can people please stop throwing this term around'

I didn't attempt. I did define.

[Brother Leon]

Two great HMs that gave us plenty to discuss and were leaders of the better group.

Comparisons stop there though.

[Samm]

Originally Posted by Pronshi

I was not the first to use that word... if you would see bothered to read the thread...
You would see Sam used it.

I didn't say it about Helen, I said it about Conor

[Pronshi]

Originally Posted by ~Sam~

I didn't say it about Helen, I said it about Conor

I know. I said you were the first to use the word "chav."
The member was annoyed at us using the term completely.
But yes you were spot on anyway.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Pronshi

I didn't attempt. I did define.

Chavs are people who live in council houses? No, that's not the definition.

[rionablue]

Helen shouldn't even be in the same sentence as Conor. Conor was possibly the worse vilest housemate of all time. Helen had many faults but she began to mellow and did say that she was sorry for what she did and try to make amends with Ashleigh.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Pronshi

I didn't attempt. I did define.

No, you think you defined it but you didn't. You attempted to by wheeling out a popular misconception and as such got it wrong. Do some reading and then you'll understand why my explanation is correct