[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Josy

So you agree she isn't a chav then....

no she isn't i don't know why she is branded a chav

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

"Chav" comes from "Charva", a Geordie word, shortened to "Charv", became "chav" as the colloquial use spread south, then stayed "chav" when it bounced back up across the country after hitting London.

It has nothing to do with Council Housing. In fact, in my experience, as I said above it usually describes the "skilled working class" who DO have money. Tradies, salon workers / owners, etc. . The class system, if it still really exists, is an odd thing. Most of the skilled working class make much more money than the lower-middle class (management roles, administrative roles, teaching, blue-collar type things). They're still more "common", use more colloquial language... are more... err... "Heleny".

I know what the word means and I disagree with a lot of your post about who is described as a chav.

I know who its normally applied to where I'm from and Helen doesn't fall into any if those categories.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Josy

I know what the word means and I disagree with a lot of your post about who is described as a chav.

I know who its normally applied to where I'm from and Helen doesn't fall into any if those categories.

I guess it's just different definitions then, for me she falls squarely into the definition. What other people are describing are what I'd have called the classic "Ned", and it's important to remember that "Chavs" and "Neds" - whilst having some common characteristics - are not the same thing.

[Pronshi]

Originally Posted by Firewire

I had nothing to say to you about your earlier comments, don't try and force me out a thread... it's a debate

And they're nothing alike

Oh god the attention whoring coming from you is ridiculous.
Next you will tell me this guy is a little angel and so misunderstood.

[Pronshi]

Maybe it all comes down to me not liking people with 2 syllable names.
Helen and Tyler. I can't go near people like that i'll catch poor.

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Pronshi

Oh god the attention whoring coming from you is ridiculous.
Next you will tell me this guy is a little angel and so misunderstood.

well he spat in Mohamed's face so he isn't an angel

[Pronshi]

Originally Posted by Firewire

well he spat in Mohamed's face so he isn't an angel

See I thought with me being ignorant and politically incorrect and me not liking him you probably would love him.

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Pronshi

See I thought with me being ignorant and politically incorrect and me not liking him you probably would love him.

That's not really how it works...

[puzzled]

So all people who live in Council houses are violent and ignorant? Wow, what a snobby thing to say. God forbid a person should fall on hard times. (Ever hear of Susan Boyle?)

[Pronshi]

Originally Posted by puzzled

So all people who live in Council houses are violent and ignorant? Wow, what a snobby thing to say. God forbid a person should fall on hard times. (Ever hear of Susan Boyle?)

I don't agree with it at all but that is what people define it as.
I think almost most of the UK is in hardtimes. Just ego is something we all have.

[susie q]

Originally Posted by Pronshi

You can't deal with it. Someone not agreeing with the majority of the forums clearly. People disagree with Helen and you all go into defensive mode.
Funny thing is I like Helen as entertainment value just as I did for Conor, but when it comes down to it, she is a horrible person just as he was.

Agreed

[jennyjuniper]

Actually she doesn't own it.. A footballer owns it and she just 'manages' it for him!!
As to the question. Helen and Conor are like two peas in a pod. He was loud and foul mouthed, as is she. He bullied his way through the house with his little gang of hangers on, so did she.
He walked off with prize money he didn't deserve, so did she.....

[jennyjuniper]

Oh and I forgot to add Conor was a racist and so is she. Read some of her Tweets, they make for uneasy reading, the hate that is directed to fat people, the Irish in fact anyone who gets in her way. The worst comment was that she hoped someone 'would die of cancer and end up sitting in their own s...
Now that's disgusting.

[Cold Sweat]

They do have a common denominator:

arron lowe @Arronloweoffic · Aug 15

Proud of Helen

Con-mans main man loves Helen.

[aj2463]

nope! not at all! Conor and his "gang" targeted one person! Helen just didn't care, she went for anyone, Conor was a bully, Helen's just angry... alot

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by aj2463

nope! not at all! Conor and his "gang" targeted one person! Helen just didn't care, she went for anyone, Conor was a bully, Helen's just angry... alot

Hmmmm I don't know, Conor and Co weren't particularly pleasant to Lauren or Luke A either, although Deana was the main target for Conor himself.

But I do agree that Helen isn't really a bully per se. She's just very angry and very stupid. A bad combination . Although, less dangerous than very angry and very intelligent...

So no, she was nowhere near as bad as conor. I think Helen just is what she is (which is NOT a complement... What she is isnt very pleasant) whereas Conor was actually quite sly and knowingly nasty.

Helen is also an equal opportunities aggressor. Let her off the leash and she'll start nipping anyone's ankles. Conor picked his battles and picked on who he thought was weak. He picked on Luke A and Lauren but steered well clear of confrontation with Adam, because he couldn't be physically intimidating. He also vocally attacked Deana until she started biting back, as soon as she did, he switched from being aggressive to "passive" and pretended she wasn't there then commented once she was out of earshot.

Yeah... Conor was a classic bully. Writing this out has actually just reminded me how much I despised him. Helen's an endearing little yappy puppy in comparison.

[Pronshi]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

Oh and I forgot to add Conor was a racist and so is she. Read some of her Tweets, they make for uneasy reading, the hate that is directed to fat people, the Irish in fact anyone who gets in her way. The worst comment was that she hoped someone 'would die of cancer and end up sitting in their own s...
Now that's disgusting.

Thank you!