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21-08-2014, 08:14 PM | #26 | |||
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That is my point no one would become a parent if they thought about all the ifs and buts, one of his arguments is the burden and worry a downs child will bring down the road, but that can be said of any child. As someone else said there is no right or wrong decision.
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21-08-2014, 08:17 PM | #27 | |||
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Meaning he has a pretty decent set of driveway gates and an even better alarm. No match for those who whatever their slant on abortion surely felt his remarks maybe needed a bit more time to defrost before being put out on to a public forum. That doesn't mean he's not allowed do it, of course. Just that implying that people with down syndrome add to the depth of human suffering is a bit churlish. Most of them are pretty happy from what I can see. And most of their parents are probably not regretting the choice they made. There's nothing too ****ing demonic about agreeing some of what he has said, I know that, but more than anything else it's just sad to see just how logic based the guy is. Sure I'm an emotional fool but he swings too much the other way. Better build a supercomputer to ascertain how happy we are as a species right now before anyone gives birth to some manic depressive weirdo who might need a bit of support. I'm rambling. Point is ... Dawkins is a right toolbag. Last edited by Stu; 21-08-2014 at 08:17 PM. |
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21-08-2014, 08:32 PM | #28 | |||
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It's not just about having an opinion that isn't quite the norm, though, is it? Like someone else said people with Down's are usually very happy people for one so it's pointless getting into a debate about how much their lives are worth living like it's any of our responsibility to do that. And whilst profound cases will be challenging and limiting people with mild Down's can get all sorts of work etc so god forbid we don't abort someone who may well end up contributing much more to society than "normal" people.
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21-08-2014, 08:32 PM | #29 | |||
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When religion is killing people en masse it's hard to get your head around why his comments are being taken as emotionless, he hasn't experienced the scenario he describes so it all hypothetical... Why don't we focus on real inhumanity and not just a perceived one?
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21-08-2014, 08:48 PM | #30 | |||
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I'm not religious in the slightest and I think his comments were daft. A quick browse of the online reactions to this would show in large part general disdain for his comments too, ranging from general disgust to "wow what a knob". Atheists are disowning him en masse like the prat you don't want showing up to the work party even though he is on your team.
People are focusing on real inhumanities. What are you even mean? Some people are. Some people aren't. This is about what Dawkins said. Which is why people are talking about what Dawkins said in a talk about stuff Dawkins said. What? Also isn't the fact that he hasn't experienced the scenarios he is so quick to describe with such typical ****ing bawdiness the problem in the first place? Last edited by Stu; 21-08-2014 at 08:50 PM. |
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21-08-2014, 09:03 PM | #31 | |||
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Soz stu I didn't mean you when I said the religious, just in general .. I'll pick up after BB
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21-08-2014, 09:04 PM | #32 | |||
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S'cool. I'm not nearly driven by angst enough to go around in circles on the internet anymore so I CBA.
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21-08-2014, 11:01 PM | #33 | ||
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21-08-2014, 11:45 PM | #34 | |||
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The problem with this viewpoint is that where do you draw the line, you might start with trying to ensure Down's syndrome babies are not born but then it's babies with cleft lips or slight facial irregularities , then it becomes small babies or black or albino babies ending up only with babies of choice like gender preferences etc..
A very slippery and dangerous road to go down. .
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21-08-2014, 11:56 PM | #35 | |||
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I really hope you didn't just say atheists are naive.
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21-08-2014, 11:56 PM | #36 | ||
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21-08-2014, 11:57 PM | #37 | ||
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22-08-2014, 12:52 AM | #38 | |||
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Well this descended into a straw man argument of epic proportions....
I mean it was a hypothetical... nothing more. He will never be in the position so any speculation as to what he would do is ridiculous really. I'm guessing he couldn't care less for a knee-jerk internet reaction though, he isn't a mouthpiece for all atheists so what they think is irrelevant... logically it's just the rather skewed opinion of one man. In the grand scheme of things with all the destruction happening in the world this just doesn't seem important is all.
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22-08-2014, 01:39 AM | #39 | ||
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22-08-2014, 01:49 AM | #40 | ||
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Let's just execute idiotic old people before they get so annoying.
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22-08-2014, 01:50 AM | #41 | |||
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There are plenty of 'holy' books doing that already...
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22-08-2014, 07:57 AM | #42 | ||
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**** Dawkins. I'm an atheist because I don't believe in a god or Gods and because I DON'T subscribe to an organised belief system. There's nothing more to it than that. |
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22-08-2014, 12:54 PM | #43 | |||
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Unless it was the use of the word 'immoral' as it seems only people who subscribe to a religion are afforded morals.
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22-08-2014, 02:52 PM | #44 | |||
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22-08-2014, 04:03 PM | #45 | ||
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22-08-2014, 04:03 PM | #46 | ||
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One of my cousin's children was born with Downs,the picture you paint above in your post is very accurate as to probably a great majority of children born with it. I was only going to leave my contribution here in the post I made earlier, saying I didn't agree with him at all as to this,however after then reading your post had to come in again and commend you on it. Well said and pointed out. Last edited by joeysteele; 22-08-2014 at 04:04 PM. |
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22-08-2014, 04:05 PM | #47 | ||
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22-08-2014, 04:11 PM | #49 | |||
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I know someone who got pregnant post 40 and I think its standard that they test the foetus after that age but that someone was going to abort if it was confirmed which I disagreed with but then I couldn't imagine having to look after a disabled child for the rest of my life so its easy to give an opinion when you're not the one in the actual situation. Thankfully she gave birth to a healthy little boy Last edited by daniel-lewis-1985; 22-08-2014 at 04:11 PM. |
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22-08-2014, 08:02 PM | #50 | |||
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I'm anti religion so you could be addressing me here, though I know you're not. I can say he is not a messiah for atheists or the anti-religious as far as I can see that would infer that they all feel as he does on the subject and as we see from the comments made to him following this they don't, just the same way as a religious person wouldn't agree with Irelands stance on abortion following a rape... it's a very personal moral dilemma.
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