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Originally Posted by Ammi
...hmmm, I agree with some of what you say...I do recall the confrontation at the beginning and it was definitely to me a self esteem issue and a 'peening of feathers' which he's also done with other housemates but not of 'bullying'...and I do agree that bullying comes in different guises but I don't think it applies here at all...I also think we should stop thinking things like 'mistreatment of a pensioner' because age is irrelevant to an intolerance and lack of understanding/ignorance shown with an impairment, which many of the housemates have equally shown...James no more so tbh... Gary and James most definitely got off on the wrong footing and I think BB were brilliant in how they handled it because it put it back on him to try to get the others to see more tolerance because it was all of them...or still a lot of them at that time...I also disagree on James wanting to 'get rid of people to rule the house'...one of the things about James is that to 'feed' his confidence and self esteem he has had to have those 'stronger' housemates in to pit himself against..?...that's been a big and constant thing with him...and although he has shown extreme intolerance to Gary, I think Steph was probably worse for me and always 'feeding the Gary 'hate'....James has also probably more than anyone else, tried to help Gary at times and spent more time with him, it's just that they're such different people and he's ultimately lost his patience again..I don't like James that much, there is so much at fault with him and there (I think) are serious self esteem issues, which yes would go with 'bully' but I don't think that applies here and he's never to me been a 'leader' of a group...there has been a bandwagon which they've all jumped on and he's been an equal part of that, while also equally 'fighting his battles' with other housemates as well as Gary...
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I think the age thing is extremely pertinent as the conversation went " Oh my god I don't think I have hit a 70 year old person, not yet anyway"
He's a classic bully cloaked in a veneer of gooey falseness, constantly shifting the posts from "oh look at me I am the victim here" To one of all out merciless attack, with out stopping to think of the consequences.
The incident we are talking about happened in the very first week of their stay in the house. No boundaries were set and no matter how an older person is acting you NEVER would talk to them and try to bully the older person down in the manner that Bully Elliot attempted to do.
Just the mere fact that he wants to be ( and I think the expression is a loads of codswallop) to be 'Alpha male' demonstrates his need to be top dog and to give the orders and for someone who never, ever is going to be reveals so much about his character.
People who have been bullied tend to show classic signs of being a bully but are unable to carry out properly. He admitted that he'd been bullied and belittled when he was younger and going into what was considered an effeminate occupation he's probably lived with that burden or label of people calling him and accusing of not being a real man.
Kellie states that he is demeaning to women and talks disgracefully about his wife in front of others. He also stated that he was a bully. I agree, he bullied Kelly all of the time. Now do you think he would have said the same things to Frank? No!!! He took liberties. Why? Because he felt safe to do it- no real threat or comebacks.
Another classic sign of a bully is when they are being stood up to or confronted they then become the coward and back down- all front and bluster and we have seen this on numerous occasions where someone has stood up to him and he's caved in. I don't mean Audley who is too nice a guy to be really nasty and knows it's decisive and counter productive to be arguing all of the time. Bully also knows that whilst he's in the safe confines of the BB house he can goad Audley all he wants and there will be no consequences- so even in that scenario he's attempting to belittle and bully Audley.
You disagree about him not wanting certain people around him and not wanting to rule the house? Are you watching the same program as the rest of us? He's tried to be Alpha male for the last 3 weeks and has embarrassed himself beyond belief.
He said last night after he felt ambushed and he then appeared in the diary room as a quivering wreck with a tissue in his hand that the 3 people he didn't like and had a problem with were allowed to attack him. He then went on to say after Kellie had been evicted that was one less to deal with and they wouldn't be able to act as a tag team to be able to verbally attack him. What? Half of the time they weren't talking to each other, so we can dispel that notion that they had some sort of strategy to undermine him.
As Luisa stated last night the guy has so many personal issues and could potentially do something really bad or alluded to something along those lines.
Nah Bully Elliot is the most apt tag to hang round his repulsive neck. Por moi !
Audley,
Holy,Holy Holy. The Mediator.
..and it was the first time I'd seen James really taken aback/almost startled...Gary really hit on some nerves there and I think that could be a good thing for James because there is definitely a 'crisis' he needs to resolve with himself in his life I think...he's not a bully though or anything close to a bully...he's pompous/arrogant/self-important/intolerant at times... etc but nothing like a bully...
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