[Northern Monkey]

The first time he said it was blatent racism 'fat negro'.The second time he said it he was relaying a conversation he had previously had so was not trying to offend anyone.However he knew it would get him kicked as he'd been previously warned about using the word.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

I agree that it was outdated. The second time he was recalling a situation, word for word and thought if Frank Bruno hadn't minded, it was OK.

I would give him the benefit of the doubt there.

I am of an older generation, I have to correct my mother at times over her references, which were perfectly acceptable in her earlier life and are a no no now.

So many things are different and if you were brought up to think things were right or wrong then, only to find the total reverse is correct today, some older people need to know what is acceptable and need to be informed.

Who knows, many of the things we find acceptable today might not be the case in the future and we will have to modify our thoughts again.

Well said....I totally agree with you. The first time he used it he slipped into 'role play' with the accent etc.....although that doesn't make it acceptable.
But you are so right with the generation thing. My dad once used a word pointing out a team mate at my sons football match...it wasn't that bad but I didn't like him using it....it didn't seem right!!

[MTVN]

Well it's outdated because it's now considered racially offensive, kinda silly of him to make out its two different issues

It has a very different history to the other N word though so I don't think they should be treated the same

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well it's outdated because it's now considered racially offensive, kinda silly of him to make out its two different issues

It has a very different history to the other N word though so I don't think they should be treated the same

Not exactly the same no but the way he used the word to Alexander made it as bad as the other N word

[LeatherTrumpet]

Does Ken think black people are subhuman, below white people?

No

Are the twitter generation just reacting to a word?

Yes


he is not a racist he just used a word that now people wet their pants about

big, big difference

[GiRTh]

He'd been warned about the word so for me I have no sympathy whether he was quoting in the 2nd instance. The fact he's now saying its outdated not racist also tells me that he knew exactly what he was doing and saying all along. I think he's making it worse with this bullshi*t and I'm having less sympathy the more I hear.

[Jamesy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Does Ken think black people are subhuman, below white people?

No

Are the twitter generation just reacting to a word?

Yes


he is not a racist he just used a word that now people wet their pants about

big, big difference

[Ammi]

...I don't think that his age is any excuse at all, there have been many older housemates on BB and also on other reality shows who have never said the things that Ken has said because they know it's completely disrespectful to do so...

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I don't think that his age is any excuse at all, there have been many older housemates on BB and also on other reality shows who have never said the things that Ken has said because they know it's completely disrespectful to do so...

I wasnt saying it was an excuse, a reason more like.

The outside world is not all PC at times and he used the word recounting a situation, where it was used and not found unacceptable by Frank Bruno quite some time ago.

Times have changed

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

I wasnt saying it was an excuse, a reason more like.

The outside world is not all PC at times and he used the word recounting a situation, where it was used and not found unacceptable by Frank Bruno quite some time ago.

Times have changed

..I hadn't actually seen your post, Poppy but was commenting on the thread title...I have read it now though and yeah times have changed but not to the extent that it was even that widely used or acceptable 'back in the day' in my own personal experience...the terms that Ken has used have always been seen as derogatory...

[Braden]

I had this debate with my mum and dad the other day.

We were all shocked by what Ken said, but my mum began to explain how back when she was a child it was perfectly acceptable to use the term 'coloured'. I started arguing that regardless of whether it was okay to use that word in the 70's or now the connotations behind it are exactly the same, and it should never be deemed as an 'acceptable' term.

I feel the same way in this instance. Of course Ken has a point that the word is outdated, but that's because people are becoming more aware of what offends people. The word Ken said offended Alexander in this day of age, and would have offended black people years ago too.

[the truth]

its Spanish for black and he didn't call anyone the word it was just used as part of a conversation

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by the truth

its Spanish for black and he didn't call anyone the word it was just used as part of a conversation

Yeah because Ken's fluent in Spanish

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by the truth

its Spanish for black and he didn't call anyone the word it was just used as part of a conversation

He'd already been warned but still uses the word. BB had no option.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

He'd been warned about the word so for me I have no sympathy whether he was quoting in the 2nd instance. The fact he's now saying its outdated not racist also tells me that he knew exactly what he was doing and saying all along. I think he's making it worse with this bullshi*t and I'm having less sympathy the more I hear.

utter drivel. he wasn't name calling anyone it was merely a word he used within the context of a conversation. try being perfectly pc 24 hours a day, women can say what they like or do what they like as weve seen with denise welch pulling down girls underwear and hitting Michael madsen in the face or chloe biting an old mans ears....

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

No she's fully aware of what term he used

Of course I am, I was asking the OP which N word they meant.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

its Spanish for black and he didn't call anyone the word it was just used as part of a conversation

Funny looking Spanish dude.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by the truth

utter drivel. he wasn't name calling anyone it was merely a word he used within the context of a conversation. try being perfectly pc 24 hours a day, women can say what they like or do what they like as weve seen with denise welch pulling down girls underwear and hitting Michael madsen in the face or chloe biting an old mans ears....

The misogyny is boring.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

The misogyny is boring.

not as boring as the male hate on here and on the show and even moreso on the sexist bbots fiasco.......theres infinitely more sexism against men than women in this show and throughout western society

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

The misogyny is boring.

He has a fair point there actually those tw scenarios happened but were not taken as seriously as the might have been.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Braden

I had this debate with my mum and dad the other day.

We were all shocked by what Ken said, but my mum began to explain how back when she was a child it was perfectly acceptable to use the term 'coloured'. I started arguing that regardless of whether it was okay to use that word in the 70's or now the connotations behind it are exactly the same, and it should never be deemed as an 'acceptable' term.

I feel the same way in this instance. Of course Ken has a point that the word is outdated, but that's because people are becoming more aware of what offends people. The word Ken said offended Alexander in this day of age, and would have offended black people years ago too.

..it was interesting that in one of the newspapers, Ken's son made no excuses and apologised for his dad's behaviour in the house...I doubt that if Ken would use the terms he did in the house, that it's the first time he's ever used them which his family would also have heard him do as well...so I would have thought that his children may have had similar conversations with him and yet he still does it....

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by the truth

not as boring as the male hate on here and on the show and even moreso on the sexist bbots fiasco.......theres infinitely more sexism against men than women in this show and throughout western society

I hope you find some peace in your life. You seem very angry.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

I hope you find some peace in your life. You seem very angry.

Im perfectly content thanks for caring, you sound absolutely furious good luck in dealing with that

[Jake.]

Take the misogyny talk elsewhere and stick on topic

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

He has a fair point there actually those tw scenarios happened but were not taken as seriously as the might have been.

Those two scenario were dealt with by BB in a way they thought appropriate. Were they fair? Probably not but they've gone now and I dont see the point in being angry about what happened on a TV show years ago.