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DemolitionRed · 14-02-2015, 05:45 PM

And of course, this doesn't affect working middle class Britain. All these silly threats are like Inone says, taking our eye off the government and creating a blame society.

I have never been unemployed, I count myself fortunate, I have never claimed benefit but I'll never say never and I have never been obese but I count myself fortunate. I am sick to death of the propaganda our government and popular media are spewing out about those people in Britain that really do struggle. This is class hatred at its absolute worst.

And I've had one too many glasses of wine but it is valentines day!!

arista · 14-02-2015, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

Where does it say this?

I see no clarification between ages/previous employment/etc. Just 'rarrr obese'.

OK younger and any age
Obese
That Refuse To Work
due to using "being Obese as the reason why"

DemolitionRed · 14-02-2015, 05:53 PM

What its actually saying is, if you are unemployed and obese and if you refuse help regarding your obesity, benefits could be cut.

Vicky. · 14-02-2015, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

What its actually saying is, if you are unemployed and obese and if you refuse help regarding your obesity, benefits could be cut.

Would this be help as in the help currently offered to the disabled? Ie. see a retired midwife (not even a gp half the time...nevermind a specialist) who decides your mental health issue is false and subsequently kicks you off benefits to help you get into work etc...

Johnnyuk123 · 14-02-2015, 06:59 PM

They should give them food parcels and stop handing over hard cash. That way there won't be the wrong foods in their house in the first place and it can only help them in the long term with weight issues.

waterhog · 14-02-2015, 08:06 PM

this argument is not valid as you are picking on a group of people - if this was about anything else it would be challenged.

joeysteele · 14-02-2015, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

They should give them food parcels and stop handing over hard cash. That way there won't be the wrong foods in their house in the first place and it can only help them in the long term with weight issues.

Good lord, this is 21st century Britain not the dark ages,I would be against any govt; planning what people could have as to what to eat and when.

There is a lot I would support and that could be done by 'voluntary support and advice' as to obesity and drug/alcohol addictions,however when at the end of things,the threat to remove part or all income comes into play,that stinks to high heaven,in my view, as to what this govt; terms as support and advice and as to its real agenda.

Kizzy · 14-02-2015, 08:33 PM

Just bring back the workhouse and give the poor gruel and have done with it...

joeysteele · 14-02-2015, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

Just bring back the workhouse and give the poor gruel and have done with it...

Shhh Kizzy,

Don't give David Cameron and Ian Duncan Smith that info.

The sad thing is I am pretty sure they would, if they thought they could get away with it.

Kizzy · 14-02-2015, 09:12 PM

This is just a red herring to divert people away from the issue of tax avoidance anyway, nothing will come of it it's too unspecific it would be a bureaucratic nightmare to implement.

Kazanne · 14-02-2015, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

This is just a red herring to divert people away from the issue of tax avoidance anyway, nothing will come of it it's too unspecific it would be a bureaucratic nightmare to implement.

Kizzy ,I hope you are not working my corner tonight

(swings bag at Kizbot)

Kizzy · 14-02-2015, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne

Kizzy ,I hope you are not working my corner tonight

(swings bag at Kizbot)

Shhhhhhh... we'll have to declare our income if you blab, are lube and nip tassels tax deductible?

Kazanne · 14-02-2015, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

Shhhhhhh... we'll have to declare our income if you blab, are lube and nip tassels tax deductible?

ha ha,I'm hoping to gain a few pounds tonight

I'll be obese if it's a good night.

Northern Monkey · 15-02-2015, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele

Good lord, this is 21st century Britain not the dark ages,I would be against any govt; planning what people could have as to what to eat and when.

There is a lot I would support and that could be done by 'voluntary support and advice' as to obesity and drug/alcohol addictions,however when at the end of things,the threat to remove part or all income comes into play,that stinks to high heaven,in my view, as to what this govt; terms as support and advice and as to its real agenda.

This^

Northern Monkey · 15-02-2015, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

This is just a red herring to divert people away from the issue of tax avoidance anyway, nothing will come of it it's too unspecific it would be a bureaucratic nightmare to implement.

This too.It would probably cost too much to implement to be worth doing.

Johnnyuk123 · 15-02-2015, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele

Good lord, this is 21st century Britain not the dark ages,I would be against any govt; planning what people could have as to what to eat and when.

There is a lot I would support and that could be done by 'voluntary support and advice' as to obesity and drug/alcohol addictions,however when at the end of things,the threat to remove part or all income comes into play,that stinks to high heaven,in my view, as to what this govt; terms as support and advice and as to its real agenda.

Well right now we give out cash and let people decide what they want to spend it on, unfortunately the majority spend it on the usual junk food, cigs and booze.

lostalex · 15-02-2015, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Well right now we give out cash and let people decide what they want to spend it on, unfortunately the majority spend it on the usual junk food, cigs and booze.

yea, heaven forbid anyone have any pleasure in life, lets go back to the soviet model. everyone gets rations of bread and meat, just enough to survive. no extra, no indulgence, everyone just taken in the basic needs and live basic boring unpleasurable lives...

how dare humans want to do pleasurable things!!

jennyjuniper · 15-02-2015, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

I don't see how that would work in reality...all it would do is force those people to turn to crime to survive

Then we would be even worse off. See if people welcome the 0.0001p they save per month in taxes that were going to the druggie down the road when their house is burgled...

I see your point, but what if they used the benefits money to pay for re-habilitation clinics? That's how I got off the stuff. I know it wouldn't work for everyone, but at least some could have a decent life again .

jennyjuniper · 15-02-2015, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

yea, heaven forbid anyone have any pleasure in life, lets go back to the soviet model. everyone gets rations of bread and meat, just enough to survive. no extra, no indulgence, everyone just taken in the basic needs and live basic boring unpleasurable lives...

how dare humans want to do pleasurable things!!

It's not pleasure to live in the gutter as an alcoholic or druggie, or to be so fat that you cut 30 years off your life.

joeysteele · 15-02-2015, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Well right now we give out cash and let people decide what they want to spend it on, unfortunately the majority spend it on the usual junk food, cigs and booze.

'If' they really are spending it more on booze and cigs as you say,and I'd like to see your official independent statistics as to the majority of doing so, at least a great deal of tax is then going back to the treasury,if they are,from buying those things.
That actually makes them considerable tax payers themselves too in that case.

If there is an agreed entitlement that people should have why then should any govt; say how they should spend same.
That would amount to dictatorship.
Not a road I would want to go down in the UK at all.

joeysteele · 15-02-2015, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

yea, heaven forbid anyone have any pleasure in life, lets go back to the soviet model. everyone gets rations of bread and meat, just enough to survive. no extra, no indulgence, everyone just taken in the basic needs and live basic boring unpleasurable lives...

how dare humans want to do pleasurable things!!

I agree totally, I am becoming more and more disappointed at the lack of understanding and compassion being shown in the UK towards its most vulnerable.

Some actually believe every benefit claimant is wrongly in some way getting money, rather than taking on board the independent official statistic that says only around at best 1% are.
Ina recent channel 4 debate on this, Richard Bacon revealed that only 0.8% of claims could be wrong or by fraud.

To listen to this govt; the media and other real hardliners, you'd think it was the other way round.
Easy to judge and condemn all from the outside by believing a biased and prejudiced media and this heartless buch of cowards we have as a govt; now that can only sanction and penalise the weakest.

I really think I may emigrate in the near future if the UK keeps on the road of these unfair misjudgements of the vast majority of those who are the weakest, poorest and most vulnerable in the UK.
This govts; cruel and heartless demonising policies, make me almost ashamed to be British.

Kazanne · 15-02-2015, 10:44 AM

Well we may aswell all leave work,get fat and live off the state,seriously NO one is saying those that don't need benefits should not get them,but there ARE certain sections of society that ARE lazy,do NOT want to work and benefits is their way of life,I give up on this thread ,I really do.