[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

U avvin a larf? ISIS are butchering scores of mostly Muslims constantly and it's barely reported at all! Certainly not in the tabloids. This only got a nod because it's Christians. But just a nod. Because like I said, foreign Johnny Christians not proper ones.

Yeah, they kill literally anyone and it's disgusting. But only the bigger things are reported and I'd say it's more or less equal what gets reported. It's just people on the interwebs have different priorities.

[the truth]

time for the whole damned world to unite and go after them

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by the truth

time for the whole damned world to unite and go after them

I totally agree.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by the truth

time for the whole damned world to unite and go after them

They'll get theirs........live by the sword, die by the sword

Payback normally is a Bitch............






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[billy123]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

They'll get theirs........live by the sword, die by the sword

Payback normally is a Bitch............

Most of the predominantly muslim nations on earth are out for their blood now but you wouldnt think it by some of the moronic posts by people on here that claim that the muslims have failed to condemn acts by these nutters.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by bobnot

Most of the predominantly muslim nations on earth are out for their blood now but you wouldnt think it by some of the moronic posts by people on here that claim that the muslims have failed to condemn acts by these nutters.

they unelected muslim council for Britain need to do far more as do other muslim leaders across the UK and the world. the quran does NOT say all non muslims are infidels who should be killed and these muslim leaders need to loudly and boldly pronounce this and denounce these psychotic misinterpretations of their book

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by the truth

they unelected muslim council for Britain need to do far more as do other muslim leaders across the UK and the world. the quran does NOT say all non muslims are infidels who should be killed and these muslim leaders need to loudly and boldly pronounce this and denounce these psychotic misinterpretations of their book

I 100% wholeheartedly agree.......and have been saying this for ages. These leaders need to stand up and publicly declare that the Quran does not say in any interpretation that Non Muslims should be killed.

By not declaring this it is adding suspicion and fear to millions of non Muslim people who witness the terrible events carried out by these extremist fanatics.

In fact it should be the first thing these Muslim leaders actually do...but they don't........nothing.........only silence...





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[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

I 100% wholeheartedly agree.......and have been saying this for ages. These leaders need to stand up and publicly declare that the Quran does not say in any interpretation that Non Muslims should be killed.

By not declaring this it is adding suspicion and fear to millions of non Muslim people who witness the terrible events carried out by these extremist fanatics.

In fact it should be the first thing these Muslim leaders actually do...but they don't........nothing.........only silence...

Really?
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ution-kasasbeh

Why is this '.' always in your posts? it make's it very awkward to reply to you.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Really?
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ution-kasasbeh

Why is this '.' always in your posts? it make's it very awkward to reply to you.

Oh....do you mean the "." I put at the bottom of my posts ?

I normally put that in to put some space between my post narrative and my signature avatar (cat)

I didn't realise it was affecting the way you post replies to me ?

[MTVN]

Muslim Council of Britain Express Solidarity With Jewish Community After Paris Kosher Supermarket Deaths

Paris Murders are a Greater Insult to Islam: Muslim Council of Britain Statement on Charlie Hebdo Massacre

Terrorists Can Not Divide Us: Muslim Council of Britain Organises Inter-Faith Solidarity Meeting After Paris Attacks

Alan Henning’s Murder a Despicable Act, Offensive to Muslims

Not in our Name: British Muslims Condemn the Barbarity of ISIS

Muslim Council of Britain Condemns Yet Another Murder in Iraq



Took me literally 5 minutes to find these and many Muslims groups are repeatedly denouncing extremism and at the forefront of attempts to combat radicalisation in the UK. The reality is also though that Islam is not a homogeneous entity whose nature is preprogrammed, it can manifest itself in literally hundreds of different ways, it's silly to try and group all Muslims together as if they bear some sort of collective responsibility

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Really?
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ution-kasasbeh

Why is this '.' always in your posts? it make's it very awkward to reply to you.

Also......no point posting a link to the guardian which may show some Muslim Cleric confirming what I referred to earlier.

We need massive, media wide Publicity on ALL major news channels plus TV debates primetime so everybody , everybody in the Country is in no doubt what the official Muslim position on this issue is.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Muslim Council of Britain Express Solidarity With Jewish Community After Paris Kosher Supermarket Deaths

Paris Murders are a Greater Insult to Islam: Muslim Council of Britain Statement on Charlie Hebdo Massacre

Terrorists Can Not Divide Us: Muslim Council of Britain Organises Inter-Faith Solidarity Meeting After Paris Attacks

Alan Henning’s Murder a Despicable Act, Offensive to Muslims

Not in our Name: British Muslims Condemn the Barbarity of ISIS

Muslim Council of Britain Condemns Yet Another Murder in Iraq



Took me literally 5 minutes to find these and many Muslims groups are repeatedly denouncing extremism and at the forefront of attempts to combat radicalisation in the UK. The reality is also though that Islam is not a homogeneous entity whose nature is preprogrammed, it can manifest itself in literally hundreds of different ways, it's silly to try and group all Muslims together as if they bear some sort of collective responsibility

Sorry, but denouncing extremism is NOT good enough, these leaders are only denouncing the methods these extremists use NOT their ideals.

This is the core of the problem, the critical issue, they must proclaim their faith , their Holy Book does NOT in any interpretation allow the killing of Non Muslims/Infidels.

This is where they must start, they have to reform their faith, explain to ALL concerned that it does not advocate murdering innocent people.

By not embarking on a Nationwide media offensive to show Islam as a peaceful religion that can coexist with all other religions, they speak volumes to Non Muslims who are left fearful and mistrustful of the real aims and ambitions of this sinister faith.




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[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Also......no point posting a link to the guardian which may show some Muslim Cleric confirming what I referred to earlier.

We need massive, media wide Publicity on ALL major news channels plus TV debates primetime so everybody , everybody in the Country is in no doubt what the official Muslim position on this issue is.

What?... because it's reported on in the Guardian the Muslims demonstrating are not good enough?

What about these Women, you do realise that by speaking out that is a huge risk to all that do an their families here in the west?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/wom...of-London.html

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Oh....do you mean the "." I put at the bottom of my posts ?

I normally put that in to put some space between my post narrative and my signature avatar (cat)

I didn't realise it was affecting the way you post replies to me ?

I 100% genuinely thought it was you saying, "Full Stop". Like, "that's the bottom line!"

(I'm now sort of wondering... would it not make more sense to put the dividing space IN the signature itself? It would shave like 0.2 seconds of effort off of every post... just a thought...)

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Sorry, but denouncing extremism is NOT good enough, these leaders are only denouncing the methods these extremists use NOT their ideals.

This is the core of the problem, the critical issue, they must proclaim their faith , their Holy Book does NOT in any interpretation allow the killing of Non Muslims/Infidels.

This is where they must start, they have to reform their faith, explain to ALL concerned that it does not advocate murdering innocent people.

By not embarking on a Nationwide media offensive to show Islam as a peaceful religion that can coexist with all other religions, they speak volumes to Non Muslims who are left fearful and mistrustful of the real aims and ambitions of this sinister faith.




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There is plenty of theological and scriptural opposition to extremism as well but of course the Quran has been used in different ways, by different people, in different countries, in different time periods, to justify different things. I can't admit to ever having read it but I'm sure if you wanted to you could trawl through it to find evidence of Islam being peaceful or evidence of Islam being violent.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I 100% genuinely thought it was you saying, "Full Stop". Like, "that's the bottom line!"

(I'm now sort of wondering... would it not make more sense to put the dividing space IN the signature itself? It would shave like 0.2 seconds of effort off of every post... just a thought...)

Ye maybe you are right, or perhaps I could put my emoticons at the bottom instead of the "."

[DemolitionRed]

I would of thought that the present teachings in western Mosques are preaching about their ideals regarding Islam. Apart from very specific Islamic newspapers that only Muslims read, there isn't a newspaper in this country that would be interested in publishing a Muslim clerics article on the truisms of Islam and even if they did, I doubt it would be read by the masses.

I don't know if anyone has noticed but our main media channels have calmed down about what its publishing. Its refusing to give ISIS the publicity it needs which is fantastic. Unfortunately, social media sites are still giving a huge amount of publicity to this barbaric group and in doing so we are indiscriminately helping their case.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Ye maybe you are right, or perhaps I could put my emoticons at the bottom instead of the "."

why do you need to have a gap at all? There is a line there indicating it your sig

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

why do you need to have a gap at all? There is a line there indicating it your sig

Yes, you're right don't know why I thought I needed to do that. In future will just put in the text then post.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

why do you need to have a gap at all? There is a line there indicating it your sig

And Nedusa is so really intelligent too.

[letmein]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes their Crime was not following their Allah
nothing else at all.


It will never stop.

And America's
President is taking it easy
as he ends in a year or so

Arista, you're not American. You don't understand the US. You get all your garbage from Right-wing media. Stick to what you know -- the UK.

[MTVN]

Never thought I'd agree with Farage so strongly: http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-10057749.html

Excerpt:

A further irony of the earlier part of the bombing campaign was that the Royal Air Force was making 3,500-mile round trips from Norfolk because Britain had no active aircraft carriers. We were told that the mission was a necessity to stop a potential massacre in Benghazi. We had decided to take sides with the “rebels” against Colonel Gaddafi. As an opponent of the bombings, one of my principle concerns, which I raised at the time, was: did we know who the rebels were, and was it not a fact that the British Army in Iraq had found that many of the most extreme militants had indeed come from Eastern Libya?

These comments and the objections of a dozen MPs were simply brushed aside by a media consensus that our political class must be right. I am in no doubt that Libya after our intervention is in a far worse state than it was under Gaddafi. I know that when I say these things, I will be portrayed as being a Gaddafi supporter. But not only is that untrue, it is also not the point.

Libya is one of an endless series of military interventions in which we have left things worse than before we intervened. And you only need to look as far as how Christians are targeted across the Middle East and North Africa region to see what kind of road we have paved for the terrorists of Isis. In Iraq, in Syria, in Libya and beyond, Christians have not only been thrown to the lions as a result of our hasty, shoestring interventions, but what are we doing to assist them now that our government has created the conditions in which they can be so easily rounded on? I would say whatever it is, it is nowhere near enough given our complicity in their slaughter.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Never thought I'd agree with Farage so strongly: http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-10057749.html

Excerpt:

He is absolutely correct in what he says, and I have found myself agreeing with other comments he has made. The TRUTH is the truth - no matter from who it issues. Personal political persuasion should never prevent any of us from ignoring the truth just because it is said by someone whose politics we don't subscribe to, because the truth is such a rare commodity in today's politics.

[Kizzy]

We have Illustrious, Cameron got rid of Invincible and Ark Royal.

[Tom4784]

There's plenty of resentment and denouncement towards Isis from the Muslim community and it's no wonder, Muslims have suffered at IS' hands more than anyone.

It annoys me when people say that Muslims aren't vocal enough against Isis, they are it's just that the media, by large, are not interested in making muslims look sympathetic. The sad thing is, if the mainstream media isn't covering a story than a large part of the public will simply believe it's not happening.

I do actually agree with Farage, Gadaffi and Saddam were evil but by removing them (and not setting up stable replacements) we've created a power vacuum in the Middle East which has given rise to Isis. There's very little point in blaming Islam as a whole when we're largely to blame for Isis' current position of power in the world. Isis would still exist without Islam but they wouldn't exist as they are today if it weren't for our help.