[Conzors]

...people shouldn't be nominated because they are black, or Indian, or non-white, just the same as they shouldn't be NOT nominated for that reason.

I'm pretty sure they want to be nominated for their acting talent, not because they are in a minority group.

There just weren't any good films with a non-white lead role this year, there is nothing more to it!

Why does it always have to be segregated into Black, White, Indian etc, we're all people!

Thoughts?

[LeatherTrumpet]

i would imagine it reflects the number of white people in this years current crop of films?

[Livia]

Positive discrimination would make the awards meaningless. To be a truly diverse society we've got to stop segregating ourselves, like Conzors said.

[Conzors]

Originally Posted by Livia

Positive discrimination would make the awards meaningless. To be a truly diverse society we've got to stop segregating ourselves, like Conzors said.

yes!
when people don't recognize color and are just appreciated for who they are as a person then that's when discrimination will no longer be an issue.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Conzors

yes!
when people don't recognize color and are just appreciated for who they are as a person then that's when discrimination will no longer be an issue.

It's easy to say that as a white person though who hasn't really faced the same discrimination as black people. As LT said the lack of black actors up for awards was down to the lack of decent roles being given to black actors

[arista]

Yes there was a Gay Film
won one year
they even had good jokes about
it,
Live at the Oscars

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Conzors

There just weren't any good films with a non-white lead role this year, there is nothing more to it!

But how many films had non-white lead roles?

It's not really about the awards themselves but they always show up a lack of diversity within the film world itself.

[Livia]

There are lots of sections of society who are under-represented in Hollywood. There aren't many great roles for older women, for instance. I honestly feel like things are moving for black actors though, every year we get a little further forward and pretty soon I'm sure black actors in leading roles will be the norm. I don't feel that positively discriminating is the way to push that forward.

[Marsh.]

Oh no, neither do I. But I feel Conzors was questioning why a "thing" is made about the representation of black actors in films.

And the older woman comparison is true. I'm sure Meryl Streep should just have her own category. The only older woman to ever win anything that I can ever remember.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Oh no, neither do I. But I feel Conzors was questioning why a "thing" is made about the representation of black actors in films.

And the older woman comparison is true. I'm sure Meryl Streep should just have her own category. The only older woman to ever win anything that I can ever remember.

Goldie Hawn said there are three categories of women in Hollywood - Babe, District Attorney and Driving Miss Daisy.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Goldie Hawn said there are three categories of women in Hollywood - Babe, District Attorney and Driving Miss Daisy.

I think TV is actually helping female roles hugely. TV has gotten so good in the last few years, so much so, film actors are starting to actually move into TV and alot of great shows have great female roles that cater for a much bigger and better range of "types" of women, American Horror Story and Orange is the New Black are 2 good examples of that

[Marsh.]

Yeah, TV has overtaken films loads in the last 10 or so years hugely.

That's where the quality is too.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yeah, TV has overtaken films loads in the last 10 or so years hugely.

That's where the quality is too.

Yup and there is also so much more diversity in TV

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I think TV is actually helping female roles hugely. TV has gotten so good in the last few years, so much so, film actors are starting to actually move into TV and alot of great shows have great female roles that cater for a much bigger and better range of "types" of women, American Horror Story and Orange is the New Black are 2 good examples of that

Yes, I have to agree with that.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Livia

There are lots of sections of society who are under-represented in Hollywood. There aren't many great roles for older women, for instance. I honestly feel like things are moving for black actors though, every year we get a little further forward and pretty soon I'm sure black actors in leading roles will be the norm. I don't feel that positively discriminating is the way to push that forward.

I agree with this 100%

[Z]

I'd choose a good TV series over a film any day - I like getting to know characters. I'm currently hooked on Orange Is The New Black and Grey's Anatomy.

[Conzors]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's easy to say that as a white person though who hasn't really faced the same discrimination as black people. As LT said the lack of black actors up for awards was down to the lack of decent roles being given to black actors

I may not have faced discrimination because I'm black (because evidently, im not haha) but i have been the bunt of discrimination for other reasons - but i dont say that the oscars werent 'sexually diverse' this year because not many gay people won an oscar (although the host and his underwear phwoaarrrrrrr)

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Oh no, neither do I. But I feel Conzors was questioning why a "thing" is made about the representation of black actors in films.

And the older woman comparison is true. I'm sure Meryl Streep should just have her own category. The only older woman to ever win anything that I can ever remember.

But its not as though they weren't given the part because they were black - it just so happens that the films up for the awards didnt star any black characters - and that is the ONLY reason. It has nothing to do with ethnicity.

[Tom4784]

I take exception with the fact that American Sniper was nominated at all, it's a truly terrible film and the fact that Bradley Cooper was given a nomination in the Best Actor section but not David Oyelowo was a travesty.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Conzors

I may not have faced discrimination because I'm black (because evidently, im not haha) but i have been the bunt of discrimination for other reasons - but i dont say that the oscars werent 'sexually diverse' this year because not many gay people won an oscar (although the host and his underwear phwoaarrrrrrr)



But its not as though they weren't given the part because they were black - it just so happens that the films up for the awards didnt star any black characters - and that is the ONLY reason. It has nothing to do with ethnicity.

How do you Know for sure that none of the actors nominated aren't gay?

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

But how many films had non-white lead roles?

It's not really about the awards themselves but they always show up a lack of diversity within the film world itself.

Yeah, I think this is generally the problem, like, that exodus film that was released last year, lots of people were in a furore that so many of the actors were white despite it being set in Egypt

Like, if George Washington was cast as a black man everyone would be up in arms

[Conzors]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Yeah, I think this is generally the problem, like, that exodus film that was released last year, lots of people were in a furore that so many of the actors were white despite it being set in Egypt

Like, if George Washington was cast as a black man everyone would be up in arms

but he is actually white.

[Smithy]

And people in Egypt were actually not white


Which was my point

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

And people in Egypt were actually not white


Which was my point

Not to mention all those other religious inspired films like Noah, all those characters are always played by white actors when in reality they should be middle eastern

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Not to mention all the religious inspired films like Noah, all those characters are always played by white actors when in reality they should be middle eastern

Yeah exactly

[James]

The main thing the Oscars are biased against is certain genres of films. Like science fiction, fantasy, horror, animation, comedies, foreign-language films, action films, even childrens' films.

The films they like are biopics and historical films, especially about important moments in American history. And serious films about social issues.