[arista]

Live In Leicester



What a Nasty Evil King


The Locals are chucking Flowers on the Coffin

[Smithy]

Party at the dead guys house

[smudgie]

Debatable if it was Richard that killed the boys..more likely on the orders of his wife.

He should be reburied in York.. After all, he was white rose all the way.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Party at the dead guys house

What the Car Park

[arista]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Debatable if it was Richard that killed the boys..more likely on the orders of his wife.

He should be reburied in York.. After all, he was white rose all the way.

He Ordered it
in those days Women did not order feck all

[arista]

They are Dumping the Coffin
in what should be a Disco House
but its a Cathedral

[joeysteele]

I don't think he was responsible for their deaths, after reading man books on this subject,I actually would lean more to Henry V11, he had more to lose with the Princes being still alive.
The Tudors were all, with the exception of the boy King, Edward V1,in my view, paranoid crackpots.

I think Richard 111 has been cruelly treated by historians and that he was likely far from the moster they depict him to be.

This is fantastic to watch,in my view, today and it is fitting at last that he is getting a decent, dignified service and send off that befits a warrior King.
I really wish I had nbeen able to be in Leicester today to wtiness this procession.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I don't think he was responsible for their deaths, after reading man books on this subject,I actually would lean more to Henry V11, he had more to lose with the Princes being still alive.
The Tudors were all, with the exception of the boy King, Edward V1,in my view, paranoid crackpots.

I think Richard 111 has been cruelly treated by historians and that he was likely far from the monster they depict him to be.

This is fantastic to watch,in my view, today and it is fitting at last that he is getting a decent, dignified service and send off that befits a warrior King.
I really wish I had been able to be in Leicester today to witness this procession.

You would say that
Get Off The Fence


And Why did his Knights not Protect him?

Set Up

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

You would say that
Get Off The Fence


And Why did his Knights not Protect him?

Set Up

For goodness sake, where is that being on the fence, I say he didn't kill them or order it either, I believe Henry Tudor did it when he usurped the throne.
They were all that were left of the Yorkist line, it would have been folly for Richard to have actually killed them.

Anyway, I am not on the fence at all,actually not on anything.
I think your view of people sitting on fences is distorted slightly, with full respect.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

For goodness sake, where is that being on the fence, I say he didn't kill them or order it either, I believe Henry Tudor did it when he usurped the throne.
They were all that were left of the Yorklist line, it would have been folly for Richard to have actually killed them.

Anyway, I am not on the fence at all,actually not on anything.
I think your view of people sitting on fences is distorted slightly, with full respect.

Bollocks
I Distort Feck All


Tudor he was in France the Dirty Bugger

[arista]

He had a good run
2 years as King

Evil Devil
though , ordering the Murders of the 2 lads.

[arista]

[arista]

Hey Fella in that Cathedral
don't get Political

[arista]

Another Hour and 7mins to go
give us more than the Vicar


Ch4HD Live

[arista]

Great a Historian

Cheers Kristian Guru Murphy

[arista]

Dr. David Starkey Live Now

Joey he is with me
Murdering his nephews

[Livia]

Shakespeare, among others, gave Richard a bad press. I doubt he was responsible for the death of the princes.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by arista

That's just a flesh wound...

[arista]

Bleedin' Heck

Ch4HD News Jon Snow
has a connection to King Richard III

[joeysteele]

Oh crumbs David Starkey,that pompous know all, already an anti Richard 111 person anyway.

he was totally wrong, Shakespeare from the vile Tudors account of Richard 111, depicted him as a hunchback.
While he had a spinal problem, it would not have made him appear a hunchback the new evidence proves due to the condition he had, so there's utter tripe from Shakespeare and the Tudors for a start.

Henry was away you say arista,he could have arranged it from there, also maybe the Princes weren't killed until Henry Tudor actually took the throne after the battle.

No one knows when they were killed, or if in fact they even were.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

Shakespeare, among others, gave Richard a bad press. I doubt he was responsible for the death of the princes.

I am pleased to see you have doubts too Livia.

I started reading about him filled with the view he had from the way history had portrayed him.
However the more I read about him in several books, that picture just didn't fit for me and I found strong doubts forming all the time.

As I said earlier,reading more and more about the Tudors,left me thinking they were near all paranoid crackpots,which only made me feel even more sure as I could be, that Richard 111 has been wrongly judged as to history.

[MTVN]

Think Shakespeare was mainly influenced by Thomas More's account of Richard's hunchback. It was a fairly typical smear of the time to exaggerate or completely fabricate deformities to suggest that someone's inner evil manifested itself also in their body. It happened for a long time with Anne Boleyn that she would have deformities exaggerated to make out she was a lot more ugly than she actually was

[LeatherTrumpet]

Stupid pile of bones should be thrown in a skip

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Think Shakespeare was mainly influenced by Thomas More's account of Richard's hunchback. It was a fairly typical smear of the time to exaggerate or completely fabricate deformities to suggest that someone's inner evil manifested itself also in their body. It happened for a long time with Anne Boleyn that she would have deformities exaggerated to make out she was a lot more ugly than she actually was

Yes,it was said she had an extra finger or something wasn't it, as if Henry V111 would have lusted after someone ugly.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Yes,it was said she had an extra finger or something wasn't it, as if Henry V111 would have lusted after someone ugly.

Yep as well as a bucktooth and a growth on her neck apparently lol, that account came from a Catholic priest I think which explains the fabrication