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31-03-2015, 03:39 PM | #51 | |||
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“Paedophiles are told they are the seducers and rapists of children; they know their experiences are often loving and tender ones.
Seriously Jack? Their abuse of children is loving and tender?
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31-03-2015, 04:33 PM | #52 | ||
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I think that implies that their experiences of being attracted to children are those of loving, tender and emotional connections rather than strictly sexual ones. At least that's how I interpreted that statement anyway. Indeed from interviews I've read with paedophiles a lot of them expressed how they feel a sense of protection towards those they are attracted to, amplified by the guilt of their situation, more than any sexual attraction.
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31-03-2015, 04:47 PM | #53 | ||
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But surely feelings outside of sexual attraction are a separate issue and not related to this "pedophilia is a sexual orientation" stuff?
We all feel protective and a certain "love" for people we are not sexually attracted or involved with, adults and children. Last edited by Marsh.; 31-03-2015 at 04:47 PM. |
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31-03-2015, 05:01 PM | #54 | |||
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They know it is not a social or a societal norm, they may have only the indoctrination of an abuser to have any childhood references to draw on which would explain why the abused go on to become the abuser. However it cannot be denied that they know what they feel is wrong and attempting to suggest feelings are reciprocated by a minor is a way of deflecting the blame so they don't face the realisation that what they are doing or fantasise about doing has nothing to do with love and/or or emotion and everything to do with control.
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31-03-2015, 05:20 PM | #55 | |||
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I see the reactionary police are out in force in this thread. Fair enough that most of them are parents themselves, it's hard to imagine a parent reacting in any other way, but I still think the point remains that we will never know how many people are out there with paedophilic tendencies until we as a society learn to be more accepting of the fact that it exists, it has always existed and will always exist.
Extreme points of view like to draw comparisons between homosexuality and paedophilia or lump them together because they're "perverse" and "not the norm" - perhaps controversially I'd argue that they're probably in the same sphere of understanding of the human psyche (why do some people feel attractions towards things that aren't going to help them reproduce?) - but the difference of course is that two homosexual people can consent to sexual intercourse; a child doesn't know any better. Even though kids are being sexualised from a shockingly early age, that doesn't mean they are sexual beings. I didn't disagree with the statement that paedophilia isn't normal - it should never be allowed to become normal - because normal is what we accept as normality. It is a natural phenomenon though, it's in some peoples' natures to be attracted to children. Perhaps it's shaped by an early experience or perhaps it's just how they were born; perhaps we'll never know or perhaps it'll be explained by science in the way that homosexuality is being researched. The simple fact of the matter is that the way things are, we only know who's a paedophile if they 1) offend and 2) get caught. The bad minority does not represent the good majority; as is always the case in life - so that's why I believe that there are far more people with paedophilic tendencies out there than we'd like to believe. |
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31-03-2015, 05:43 PM | #56 | |||
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Despite the increasing apologist psychobabble' from certain psychiatrists and academics, Paedophiles themselves KNOW the difference between being drawn to children by affection and 'loving, tender and emotional connections' - which is NOT paedophilia but just natural instinctive feelings found in all normal men and women - and sexual attraction to children which IS paedophilia.
If they did not know this difference, then they would hardly go to the lengths which they do to HIDE their predilections and sordid activities. All this B.S. is just yet another facet of the increasing trend over the past 30 years to marginalise or even BLAME the victim by MITIGATING or even EXCUSING the perpetrator. Such a trend is wholly and emphatically supported - usually covertly - by people in lofty positions because among their number can be found the greatest clusters of deviants. I will repeat; that those unfortunates who REALISE that they have this sickness and who fight their urges and seek help, do not deserve castigating and should be treated in strictest confidence. In my opinion. |
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31-03-2015, 06:01 PM | #57 | |||
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Where did anyone draw a comparison between peadophilia and homosexuality?...Not anyone I can see in this thread, my earlier point referenced consensual sex, which homosexual sex is so not in any way shape or form comparable.
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31-03-2015, 06:37 PM | #58 | |||
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'Oh lets all respect the brave paedophiles that don't act upon their feelings, those poor people eh we need to understand them better.. I personally think that's a crock of ****. As someone that has witnessed the complete devastation that this can cause in a childs life it actually baffles me how anyone can seriously attempt to justify the urges and actions of paedophiles by claiming that it's normal, it's not normal and there is no place for it in our society so theres no need for us to be accepting or understanding of it in any way IMO. And I am genuinely interested to know how much people that sympathise with paedophiles that have resisted their urges would be happy enough to live next door to them with their young kids? |
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31-03-2015, 06:47 PM | #59 | ||
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If paedophilia isn't a sexual orientation, then what is it? Are people seriously suggesting some choose to live a life of guilt, repression and self-hatred?
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31-03-2015, 06:56 PM | #60 | |||
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I am 100% with Josy on this.
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31-03-2015, 07:14 PM | #61 | |||
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Fantastic post Josy. |
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31-03-2015, 07:24 PM | #62 | |||
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"I will repeat; that those unfortunates who REALISE that they have this sickness and who fight their urges and seek help, do not deserve castigating and should be treated in strictest confidence." by adding: "In secure institutions." I also feel that the local Police SHOULD be alerted but with a strict order that the person being voluntarily treated has committed no crime, and because of this perhaps there should be 2 separate registers? |
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31-03-2015, 07:31 PM | #63 | ||
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It belongs under mental illness IMO. The same as any sicko who has impulses for other vile acts in this world. Last edited by Marsh.; 31-03-2015 at 07:32 PM. |
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01-04-2015, 12:37 AM | #64 | |||
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i think peoples attitudes are so strong because we all know how strong and overwhelming sexual urges are for all healthy people. sexuality is a corner stone of every human beings life. imagine telling a man he can't have sex with a woman (or a man if he's gay) how long can he actually resist before he acts on those impulses? it's like conservatives that advocate for abstinance only sex education. the fact is, men and women always end up succumbing to their sexual desires, no matter how religious they are. so if a pedophile feels that way towards children, how long can we really expect him to deny his sexuality? I personally don't believe you can change someone's sexuality. no matter how much therapy or medication you give them. That is why everyone is so worried about pedophiles. all the studies have shown that almost ALL pedophiles are repeat offenders. So i don't think the public is overreacting at all. they really are an extreme danger to children.
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01-04-2015, 04:52 PM | #65 | |||
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I want to be really clear here: I do not support paedophiles in any way, I doubt anyone here does. It's not a question of support, it's a question of acceptance of the fact they exist and there are probably a great many more paedophiles who live in torment, never acting on it, than those we know about because they have. Quote:
I think this is an interesting debate though. It's an extremely emotive one and I think it can only really be discussed hypothetically by people who don't have kids and haven't seen the devastating impacts of child abuse first hand, because anyone who has will of course (rightfully) not have any tolerance for hearing anything to the contrary. I don't necessarily disagree with anyone in this thread, I just think this topic is one that ought to be discussed more widely and it would benefit society as a whole if we could better understand what causes paedophilia and how to help potential offenders not offend. |
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01-04-2015, 04:59 PM | #66 | ||
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Yeah, but because something is "natural" doesn't mean it should be accepted.
Like I said, any mental illness or something else which affects someone's behaviour/impulses from sexual to violent etc can be called "naturally occurring" in certain cases. This pedophile stuff should be treated just like that. |
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01-04-2015, 05:16 PM | #67 | |||
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01-04-2015, 05:18 PM | #68 | ||
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Pedophiles who commit crimes should be treated like any other criminal but ones that just want help like someone else struggling with any mental illness or addiction should be helped just as much. Last edited by Marsh.; 01-04-2015 at 05:18 PM. |
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01-04-2015, 05:23 PM | #69 | |||
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Plus, anyone who actually goes ahead and commits the crime is either extremely arrogant or extremely deranged, often both, as shown by the extremes of high-society-cover-ups exposed by Yewtree and infamous criminal cases like Sarah Payne, April Jones etc... - these people probably wouldn't seek out help even if it were there; they committed these crimes because their sense of right and wrong has been skewed by positions of power or just simply having no respect for the rule of law. |
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03-04-2015, 03:24 AM | #70 | |||
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its funny that there are large amounts of women who are sexually abusing children, I hear its in north america, australia,new zealand,even hear in the uk, the biggest taboo their was that the age, of the boys and girls that where being groomed, in the cases, some where as young as six years old,then to eight to 10 and 12 right up to 14,what is disturbing their is that these women tell them that they love them, which they are lying, they manipulate and control them, police in every case found in their cars,new toys to gagets and new trainers for boys,many psychologists have tested alot of females who where caught, they showed pictures of men then to pictures of boys, in the end they did not get sexually aroused with the adult pictures, but the boys pictures, they where aroused by it, when this was put into the court cases, still they got a very soft jail terms,here in the uk, the media blacks out women who do the same thing, like 99 percent of the time, because it will cause paranoia, with parents not trusting a friend to baby sit their chlidren, the male black out in are media is about 40 percent, so there is alot more there,the police know to are mps, that both genders do it, same time we are trying to lower the age of consent, why else would they risk doing that, the most good looking man to the most beautiful women can be a nonce, some people can't face it when it is a pretty type woman, that was doing it, people would say that she could of had any man she wanted, but it was a little kid,
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