[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Absolutely unbelievable in the defence debate with Andrew Neill today that I have just watched.
Michael Fallon,the current 'Defence' secretary would not commit the Conservatives to supporting a min. Labour govts; legislation to renew Trident.

Andrew Neill pressed him loads of times and got nowhere, what an extraordinary event.
So he and the Conservatives would most likely play a game as to trident too, something they claim to be 100% in favour of.
What a waste of space as a Defence secretary.

Even I, as a current Labour supporter, would expect at least the majority of Labour MPs to support a min. Conservative govt; as to renewing trident.

They don't have an Overton window, they have a greenhouse. If that's what voters want that will be their policy changing everyday to encompass all the electorate.
Yet they don't commit to anything, it's all hot air and bluster.

[Kizzy]

FGS Mike (UKIP) Reid is rapping again :/

Mike Read, broadcaster
His reasoning’s unsound and Miliband’s found

Brand rants like a mule or an ass debates.

He has more dosh than those he calls “posh”

For he’s richer than those that he castigates.

Is Miliband mad to go to Brand’s pad?

Where he sits on the sofa berating him.

If he goes on like this he will get a Judas kiss

Or the next thing you know he’ll be dating him.

Brand believes the solution is to talk revolution,

What juvenile waffle, the silly man.

He thinks Farage would be hopeless in charge –

As would Clegg and Cameron and Miliband.

He’s hitting Red Ed with some facts that he’s read

That smacks of a weird personal odyssey.

He’s talking to Labour as if he were the Saviour,

Yet he’s all for a non-voting policy.

Ed told Brand post-election there will be resurrection

And the UK will no longer be Tory … err.

The lies that he’ll feed yer like “I’ll break up the media”

But without all that “giddy euphoria”.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...rews-interview

[Kizzy]

OOOHHHH......

'Danny Alexander, the Liberal Democrat chief secretary to the Treasury, has taken the extraordinary step of lifting the lid on Tory plans for an £8bn plan to cut welfare, including slashing child benefits and child tax credits.

Alexander reveals that in June 2012, members of the Quad – the inner group of the four most senior cabinet members – were sent a paper by the work and pensions secretary Iain Duncan Smith entitled “Welfare Reform Quad Summer Reading Pack” setting out plans for £8bn of welfare reforms.

The proposed cuts included:

Limiting support to 2 children in child benefit and child tax credit, so cutting up to £3,500 from a family with three children.
Removing the higher rate child benefit from the first child, an average cut of over £360 for every family with children.
Means testing child benefit – cutting £1,750 for a two child middle income family
Removing child benefit from 16 to 19 year olds – a cut of over £1,000 for parents of a single child.'

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...child-benefits

[smudgie]

A page sent round nearly 3 years ago....
Nothing much new, the child benefit is means tested now isn't it?
There was also plenty of talk of cutting the benefits for more than two of three kids as well.
Danny Alexander....I wouldn't trust hm as far as I could throw him to be honest.

[Kizzy]

Gingerist...

[Kizzy]

Glass houses?

[joeysteele]

This is clearly older issues but it shows the thinking of the govt:

However, quite a move from Danny Alexander, he has spouted out day after day strong defence of the policies done from the treatments of those most vunerable and the bedroom tax/charge.
All while he was an assured Minister,he wasn't bothered about any of that,what a total snake he is.
Furthermore, he may be happy or horrified to know that most people when you ask which party he is from, say the Conservatives.
Anyway he is gone on May 7th,and he knows it too,he may even come 3rd in his seat in Scotland.
Justice will be done as to that for me and this waste of space.

I would be far more interested to see and hear from him where the cuts now will be falling, since if what David Cameron is true, he can only be left with chopping sickness and disability benefits or jobseekers to find just some of the 10 billion pounds worth of cuts extra he says will be made to the welfare budget.

I am more suspicious as to that, wheresomething as serious as peoples situations who are among the most vulnerable,that no one is going to be told where and what the cuts will be, until after the election.
Cameron was jumping around and was priding himself on saying yesterday, he knows things because he has seen the books.
Right then, spell out where these cuts are going to hit 'before the election' and stop playing around with the sick and disabled peoples lives.

[MTVN]

[Kizzy]

I knew it! it's a double bluff from Nicola, the only reason she insisted that Ed align with her at the live debates was to derail his campaign. Maybe there was some truth in those leaks after all, if Rupert likes her she must be one of them

[joeysteele]

Oh gosh, what a pathetic paper the Sun is, 2 hypocritical stances in its 2 separate papers.
Talk about dividing a Nation.
How this rotten rag is allowed to exist is beyond me.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by MTVN

haha, the Sun does not support anyone. It puts its hat with who they think is going to win, its as simple as that.

[Kizzy]

I have to say Joey this has thrown me, do you think that it's just a ploy to sell papers in Scotland? I hope it's not due to any shady deals :/

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I have to say Joey this has thrown me, do you think that it's just a ploy to sell papers in Scotland? I hope it's not due to any shady deals :/

I think the SUN has supported the SNP before in Scotland.
Who cares anyway that matters,the SUN is a total waste of paper and print anyway in my view.

See,I get how the SNP are riding high in Scotland, 45% ended up voting for independence, no other party in Scotland is in favour of Independence.
So the 45% who really got out there and voted for it, will now naturally support the SNP.
It is no surprise to me at all.

For me, it makes no difference only that it will possibly leave Labour,not the largest party,albeit by only a few seats here and there.
However the predictions are still around 275 to 280 seats for each of the main parties.
the SNP in its best sceanrio then could win 50 to 55 seats.
Any seats it fails to get,then saty with Labour and adds to Labour's tally.
That being the case, even in that situation, there would be no easy road for any possible Conservative led govt; as the SNP figures with the opposition would command the majority in parliament.

In truth, that would really mean no Conservative led govt; at all, as the SNP have ruled out ever allowing a Conservative govt; to come to power if it has the figures to stop it doing so.

I'd actually assume the other SUN, will be annoyed that the Scottish one is supporting the SNP again.
Since it exposes the SUN for the total hypocrites they are and of no national interest for the UK as a whole too.
To have one of its publications praising the SNP from the high heavens and supporting them, while the other shower are warning of how dangerous the SNP are.
They look what they are,pathetically ridiculous.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I think the SUN has supported the SNP before in Scotland.
Who cares anyway that matters,the SUN is a total waste of paper and print anyway in my view.

See,I get how the SNP are riding high in Scotland, 45% ended up voting for independence, no other party in Scotland is in favour of Independence.
So the 45% who really got out there and voted for it, will now naturally support the SNP.
It is no surprise to me at all.

For me, it makes no difference only that it will possibly leave Labour,not the largest party,albeit by only a few seats here and there.
However the predictions are still around 275 to 280 seats for each of the main parties.
the SNP in its best sceanrio then could win 50 to 55 seats.
Any seats it fails to get,then saty with Labour and adds to Labour's tally.
That being the case, even in that situation, there would be no easy road for any possible Conservative led govt; as the SNP figures with the opposition would command the majority in parliament.

In truth, that would really mean no Conservative led govt; at all, as the SNP have ruled out ever allowing a Conservative govt; to come to power if it has the figures to stop it doing so.

I'd actually assume the other SUN, will be annoyed that the Scottish one is supporting the SNP again.
Since it exposes the SUN for the total hypocrites they are and of no national interest for the UK as a whole too.
To have one of its publications praising the SNP from the high heavens and supporting them, while the other shower are warning of how dangerous the SNP are.
They look what they are,pathetically ridiculous.

One could say that it shows that the Sun does have independent editorial teams for both versions of the paper, and that's a good thing. However, I believe the sole criteria for the paper choosing sides is based on who they think the majority of its readership will vote for, and nothing deeper than that. It would be commercial suicide to advocate a different view from the majority of its readership.

[Ross.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Screaming at Stur Wars: A New Hope

[Kizzy]

This is the only bayby dayvid I want to see...

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I think the SUN has supported the SNP before in Scotland.
Who cares anyway that matters,the SUN is a total waste of paper and print anyway in my view.

See,I get how the SNP are riding high in Scotland, 45% ended up voting for independence, no other party in Scotland is in favour of Independence.
So the 45% who really got out there and voted for it, will now naturally support the SNP.
It is no surprise to me at all.

For me, it makes no difference only that it will possibly leave Labour,not the largest party,albeit by only a few seats here and there.
However the predictions are still around 275 to 280 seats for each of the main parties.
the SNP in its best sceanrio then could win 50 to 55 seats.
Any seats it fails to get,then saty with Labour and adds to Labour's tally.
That being the case, even in that situation, there would be no easy road for any possible Conservative led govt; as the SNP figures with the opposition would command the majority in parliament.

In truth, that would really mean no Conservative led govt; at all, as the SNP have ruled out ever allowing a Conservative govt; to come to power if it has the figures to stop it doing so.

I'd actually assume the other SUN, will be annoyed that the Scottish one is supporting the SNP again.
Since it exposes the SUN for the total hypocrites they are and of no national interest for the UK as a whole too.
To have one of its publications praising the SNP from the high heavens and supporting them, while the other shower are warning of how dangerous the SNP are.
They look what they are,pathetically ridiculous.

You've gotta admit Joey that what's happening in Scotland is absolutely disastrous for Labour though. All the jokes about Scotland having less Tory MPs than they do giant pandas, well its looking like that could be true for Labour now as well! A couple of polls have even had the SNP winning every single seat. The Scottish Labour leader could lose his seat, Douglas Alexander could well lose his seat to a 20 year old politics student! It's remarkable. It's bad for the UK as a whole because I really think that Sturgeon will have good grounds to push for another referendum now and the Yes campaign could very well win it this time.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by MTVN

You've gotta admit Joey that what's happening in Scotland is absolutely disastrous for Labour though. All the jokes about Scotland having less Tory MPs than they do giant pandas, well its looking like that could be true for Labour now as well! A couple of polls have even had the SNP winning every single seat. The Scottish Labour leader could lose his seat, Douglas Alexander could well lose his seat to a 20 year old politics student! It's remarkable. It's bad for the UK as a whole because I really think that Sturgeon will have good grounds to push for another referendum now and the Yes campaign could very well win it this time.

Fingers crossed.

[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yes Even the Scottish Labour Leader
has said if the SNP win big
David Cameron will win.


SNP Killing Labour MP's
Utter Bliss

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Livia

Fingers crossed.

Don't think you'd be the only one

[Livia]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Don't think you'd be the only one in England

I think it's about time they asked the English whether they want Scotland to remain part of the Union. I'm tired of the tail wagging the dog.

[Kizzy]

I'm trying to imagine us out of Europe and broken away from Scotland... England will be a very lonely eerie place to be.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Livia

I think it's about time they asked the English whether they want Scotland to remain part of the Union. I'm tired of the tail wagging the dog.

The tail is the best bit of that mangy old mutt


(and what part is Wales..the knob?)

[LeatherTrumpet]

Queen Nicola, the true leader of Britain will be taking questions tonight and if you are not in Scotland then find it up in the 900s on sky past the porn channels

[Kazanne]

What bloody turncoats Liberal Mps are,trying to slur the Tories for child tax cuts when the guy himself commissioned the paper himself,it was done 3 years ago and was not put in place and will not be,good lord,who would want to vote for them,very telling how arsey Clegg got when asked the question about it.arsehole!