[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

lets look at an extreme example of being independent in Europe - Russia. The rest of europe tolerate them because they have a formidable fighting force and they are a source of vital resources that Europe needs for survival.

If Russia were a part of the EU, there would be much less tension, people would negotiate and cooperate.

While the UK will never be seen as the threat that Russia is, it doesn't have vital resources required by the EU either. We would forever be considered the loud mouthed silly nation that only thinks of itself. How is that a good position to be in? The moment we leave the EU, we will become a pest that people want to swat at every opportunity. That's the reality of leaving the EU.

That's a really good observation and projection of our possible 'status' of sorts once we leave.
Well mentioned.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Did I say Murdoch? No...

I said if, if you meant Murdock. I hear you didn't mean him, however my thoughts on his affiliation stand.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

If you mean Murdock then I think that'll just sway more people to remain tbh, everyone knows everything in his rags are lies.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. The Sun has backed the eventual largest party at every election since 1979

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Don't know how to embed tweets, but Robert Peston, ITV's political editor, tweeted that the postal votes coming in seem to be 'massively weighted to leave', particularly in Labour heartlands.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

I don't think this is particularly above board, or representative/scientific for that matter, but it could be an indication that the vote will not be as close as I thought.

[arista]

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by AProducer'sWetDream

Don't know how to embed tweets, but Robert Peston, ITV's political editor, tweeted that the postal votes coming in seem to be 'massively weighted to leave', particularly in Labour heartlands.

There is no way he can have any other information than from the people who have the postal vote so this will b e only from the people who have voted and that they are in fact telling the truth too.

No way can he have any official info as to the content of postal votes already received.
That would cause outrage of any officials to reveal anything before the poll takes place and voting is ended.

However,I think the postal votes will be more for leave as the people who use the postal vote more are older voters and there is no doubt the likely majority of them by a good margin will be voting to leave.

I also do know of many Labour voters who will be voting leave, so quite frankly I do think this vote is lost for David Cameron and the govt.
I hope not but hope alone does not win elections and referendums.

[empire]

voters in the labour heartlands are sticking two fingers at dodgy dave, and also the very loyal party they voted for, who are so pro eu, the labour party will turn pale after what there loyal voters will do to them, and they should of learned there lesson after taking the scots for granted, in the last election,

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by empire

voters in the labour heartlands are sticking two fingers at dodgy dave, and also the very loyal party they voted for, who are so pro eu, the labour party will turn pale after what there loyal voters will do to them, and they should of learned there lesson after taking the scots for granted, in the last election,

I won't be abandoning my support for the Labour party. We all know how Corbyn feels about the EU. The Labour party are just hedging their bets.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

There is no way he can have any other information than from the people who have the postal vote so this will b e only from the people who have voted and that they are in fact telling the truth too.

No way can he have any official info as to the content of postal votes already received.
That would cause outrage of any officials to reveal anything before the poll takes place and voting is ended.

However,I think the postal votes will be more for leave as the people who use the postal vote more are older voters and there is no doubt the likely majority of them by a good margin will be voting to leave.

I also do know of many Labour voters who will be voting leave, so quite frankly I do think this vote is lost for David Cameron and the govt.
I hope not but hope alone does not win elections and referendums.

Having worked in polling stations, I know that the biggest turn out on the day will be retirees. Applying for a postal vote means you have to know how to apply and many elderly people either don't have internet or find the internet confusing. Parties have droves of volunteers picking the elderly up and bringing them to the polling station. I've seen coaches dropping off 50 at a time.

The majority using postal votes are either out of the country because its holiday season or have severe physical disabilities.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Having worked in polling stations, I know that the biggest turn out on the day will be retirees. Applying for a postal vote means you have to know how to apply and many elderly people either don't have internet or find the internet confusing. Parties have droves of volunteers picking the elderly up and bringing them to the polling station. I've seen coaches dropping off 50 at a time.

The majority using postal votes are either out of the country because its holiday season or have severe physical disabilities.

Earlier this year I helped many elderly get registered for a postal vote.
Never once using the internet,just a phone and the post.

While I agree also that masses of the elderly still like to make that full effort to go and vote how they always did, a greater number over the last few years have now applied and have a postal vote.
When I have been helping at polling stations,I see a good mix of people, of which I admit the elderly do make a good part.
Depends where you are in the Country I guess.

Some polling stations are really busy,others may as well not be there.

I do still believe with respect the greater number of postal voters will be from the older generation plus of course from those sick and disabled too.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Earlier this year I helped many elderly get registered for a postal vote.
Never once using the internet,just a phone and the post.

While I agree also that masses of the elderly still like to make that full effort to go and vote how they always did, a greater number over the last few years have now applied and have a postal vote.
When I have been helping at polling stations,I see a good mix of people, of which I admit the elderly do make a good part.
Depends where you are in the Country I guess.

Some polling stations are really busy,others may as well not be there.

I do still believe with respect the greater number of postal voters will be from the older generation plus of course from those sick and disabled too.

dda iawn

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

dda iawn

That's something or quite good in Welsh isn't it?

[James]

Scenes on the Thames today:

Youtube video

Youtube video

[arista]

So Osborne is trying to blackmail
everyone now
he says taxes will go up after Brexit
but all Labour / SNP/ and most Conservative
would block his Vote.


So feck off Osborne

http://news.sky.com/story/1712315/br...george-osborne

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by arista

So Osborne is trying to blackmail
everyone now
he says taxes will go up after Brexit
but all Labour / SNP/ and most Conservative
would block his Vote.


So feck off Osborne

http://news.sky.com/story/1712315/br...george-osborne

poor Georgie..signing his own downfall.
Another of his budgets set to fail.

[empire]

bob geldof, biggest tosser in the music industry, when he was flying all over the world for live aid, back in the 80s, he demanded every country, pay him millions into his piggy bank, and it was never given to the poor, he was using africa, for his bank balance, and his pro eu, is a way for him to not get taxed to the hike,

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

That's something or quite good in Welsh isn't it?

Bendigedig

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

Bendigedig

I cannot speak Welsh 'the truth' but I shared a house with guys at UNI,one of whom was Welsh and the first thing you posted,he used to say when he was pleased with something anyone said.

The one above in this post,I do think I may have an idea, is it something like 'great'?

[DemolitionRed]

George Osborne will warn that he would have to fill the Ł30bn black hole in public finances triggered by a vote to leave the European Union by hiking income tax, alcohol and petrol duties and making massive cuts to the NHS, schools and defence.

In a sign of the panic gripping the remain campaign, the chancellor plans to say that the hit to the economy will be so large that he will have little choice but to tear apart Conservative manifesto promises in an emergency budget delivered within weeks of an out vote. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...MCNEWEML6619I2

Does Gideon not realize that he won't be around to deliver the next budget!

It should be noted that Osborne was absent from today's PMQs and in addition a point of order was raised about his absence from the following debate on the Opposition Day Debate on the economic benefits of UK membership of the European Union. The Speaker responded that he could not compel the Chancellor to attend but he did express surprise.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I won't be abandoning my support for the Labour party. We all know how Corbyn feels about the EU. The Labour party are just hedging their bets.

hes a coward who has bottled verbalising his thoughts at this most crucial time for our country.....we need someone with backbone

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I cannot speak Welsh 'the truth' but I shared a house with guys at UNI,one of whom was Welsh and the first thing you posted,he used to say when he was pleased with something anyone said.

The one above in this post,I do think I may have an idea, is it something like 'great'?

its all good trust me its all good, its all swmpus

[MTVN]

I can't believe how reckless ~50% of the voting public are prepared to be about their future. I honestly think that something this important should only be binding if it is voted for by, at a minimum, 55% of people on a 65+% turnout. This referendum isn't some political game, we won't have a vote again like this for decades. It's crazy that our membership of the EU can be decided by the likes of Boris and Farage whipping up fear about immigration late in the day and peddling complete misinformation.

[James]

I've just realised the problem the Remain camp have - no-one really knows what the EU does. For instance you hardly ever hear on the news about decisions taken in Strasbourg or Brussels.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I can't believe how reckless ~50% of the voting public are prepared to be about their future. I honestly think that something this important should only be binding if it is voted for by, at a minimum, 55% of people on a 65+% turnout. This referendum isn't some political game, we won't have a vote again like this for decades. It's crazy that our membership of the EU can be decided by the likes of Boris and Farage whipping up fear about immigration late in the day and peddling complete misinformation.

This to me was a misjudgement by the PM and govt.

I have said he could have put locks in place on this referendum to make it binding on the govt.

We now have in Parliament a ruling laid down,in the 5 year fixed parliament law.
That says there even can only be an election called by MPs with the votes of two thirds of them.
Whch means something like 434 MPs have to vote for a election even after a vote of confidence vote that the govt has been defeated on.

He could have stated as you said turnout as a figure and your majority required as an example.
He could also have stated there had to be in fact a two thirds majority to make this binding.
Finally he could have stated that 2 Nations of the UK had to vote each of the 2 ways presented for the result to be binding too.

As it is, it could amazingly really be the case that one single vote majority for remain or one single vote to leave,on any level of turnout, still makes this referendum binding on the govt. now.
What a way to decide such a vitally important issue.