[MTVN]

Despite surviving a no confidence vote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-32760196

I'm not sure he can really be blamed for how things went in Scotland but people always need a scapegoat in situations like that I suppose, be interesting to see what his reform plan will look like

[Kizzy]

It does seem unfair, I'm so annoyed that being in the no camp automatically was viewed as being in the same mind as to the split as the tories.

[bitontheslide]

Shame really, I like Jim. Unfortunately, even though its not his fault at all, he will forever be seen as the leader when labour got wiped out in Scotland. It has to be someone new at the top

[Kizzy]

Go on, I know someone is dying to say it....

[arista]

Yes he was a fall to stay on.

Utter Bliss

[Lee.]

Good riddance.

[joeysteele]

He faced an impossible task,this was a move to the SNP that had began in 2011 when the SNP took overall control of Holyrood.

No way could he have turned things around, although the losses were greater than thought in the end.

Hard to see who can turn things around quickly,however I am optimistic that seats will start drifting back albeit slowly.
I expect however an easy overall status for the SNP in the Holyrood elections next year 2016 but if Nicola Sturgeon fails to put the desire for another independence in next years manifesto, she may come to regret that.
I believe that is what most of the Scots voting SNP,want her to do and she will not get overall majority status all the time.

[arista]

Jim said Union Boss Len
was wrong.

[LeatherTrumpet]

the last lady resigned due to labour being treated badly by labour london and now this clown resigns

the whole party is a rudderless mess

what a total farce

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by arista

Jim said Union Boss Len
was wrong.

the unions are pulling the strings

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

the unions are pulling the strings

Of Course


Joey says that the right way

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Of Course


Joey says that the right way

Joey can speak ably for himself thank you, to those he wants to that is.
I said I agree with the Unions having a say,not control.
They do not have control, otherwise Labour would be really even more to the left than the SNP currently are.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Joey can speak ably for himself thank you, to those he wants to that is.
I said I agree with the Unions having a say,not control.
They do not have control, otherwise Labour would be really even more to the left than the SNP currently are.

Yes but the Problem is
They Demand Control.

Ask your Dad about Unions
for feck sake

[JoshBB]

Last thing they need is a Blairite in scotland

[LeatherTrumpet]

what a mess


no wonder millions are voting elsewhere

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes but the Problem is
They Demand Control.

Ask your Dad about Unions
for feck sake

Even my father would concede the Unions have far less influence now than they used to as to labour.
It is why even he was able to bring himself to vote Labour for the first time in his life in this election and he is likely to in the next one too.

I know all about Unions arista,I know how they 'used' to take on govts; ironically Labour ones as well as Conservative ones.
I would have agreed with all, had I even been born then, as to Margaret Thatcher's union reforms.

However, now I actually think they should have more freedom,things have now gone too far the other way,in my view, as being in the employers favour.

I was probably never a diehard hard line Conservative,more a 'soft' Conservative,
I absolutely hate the intolerance some hardline Conservatives show to other people of differing views.

I will also tell you this, I,and I 'think',(note the word think), the voters should too, now fear the extreme right in the UK far more than anyone ever need to the far left.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Sometimes you just need to admit its a disaster

And for labour

It is

[joeysteele]

Also arista, parties go up and down all the time, it was said, labour could never come back and see the Alliance off in the mid 80s, they did.

The Conservatives looked doomed to many too in 1997 when Blair rode in,reducing them to under 170 seats.
That looked even moreso when in 2001 he got almost the exact same result as in 1997.

However back they came too.
Politics is a series of peaks and troughs, the only thing that has really changed is the lower proportions of votes both main parties now win in elections.

I am sure labour will begin to recover in Scotland over the next 5 years,not short term however.
Also even for the next election,a very small number of seats changing hands will remove in an instant the overall majority this govt; currently has.
In fact a few by elections can do that very easily over this parliament.

I also believe the Lib Dems will come back too,maybe not to the level they attained in 2005 and 2010 but enough to be a force again too.

The one I feel could now greatly recede,because it is a one man band and will have little relevance after the EU referendum, is UKIP.
This is the election they should have their Lib Dem moment in, it never came near to doing so, despite achieving 3,800,000 votes,that was nothing like the over 6,000,000 votes the Lib Dems got used to.
I would never write parties off however, once down on the bottom, the only way is back up.

[erinp5]

Well done Jim for naming Mc Cluskey !!! and one member one vote is the only way forward.

[Kizzy]

[QUOTE=arista;7776803]Yes but the Problem is
They Demand Control.

Ask your Dad about Unions
for feck sake

Why would anyone have to to ask family members anything...

Is nobody capable of educating themselves and drawing their own conclusion instead of a narrow inherited perception of history?
Unions are made up of workers, if workers in a specific sector disagree with proposed changes to employment law or working conditions then what is wrong with unions being their voice?

I really don't agree with the distrust of the unions any concerns they hold are peddled as anti establishment rhetoric, can we really be so sure that as a nation the government really has the 'blue collar' workers at heart for this second term? I don't and I think the unions especially public services unions need be on their guard.

[joeysteele]

[QUOTE=Kizzy;7779068]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes but the Problem is
They Demand Control.

Ask your Dad about Unions
for feck sake

Why would anyone have to to ask family members anything...

Is nobody capable of educating themselves and drawing their own conclusion instead of a narrow inherited perception of history?
Unions are made up of workers, if workers in a specific sector disagree with proposed changes to employment law or working conditions then what is wrong with unions being their voice?

I really don't agree with the distrust of the unions any concerns they hold are peddled as anti establishment rhetoric, can we really be so sure that as a nation the government really has the 'blue collar' workers at heart for this second term? I don't and I think the unions especially public services unions need be on their guard.

It's ok Kizzy, I learned a lot from my Dad as to the past in politics and now he is learning from me in some way too.

He now has even turned against this govt; mainly for the NHS as he has 2 Brothers who are Doctors.
Also however for,what he sees, as the vindictive attacks on the most vulnerable too.

I love asking my Dad anything and talking to my Dad any time.

[Kizzy]

[QUOTE=joeysteele;7779083]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's ok Kizzy, I learned a lot from my Dad as to the past in politics and now he is learning from me in some way too.

He now has even turned against this govt; mainly for the NHS as he has 2 Brothers who are Doctors.
Also however for,what he sees, as the vindictive attacks on the most vulnerable too.

I love asking my Dad anything and talking to my Dad any time.

Sorry Joey didn't mean to say your dad in particular in my post haha.
I just meant we shouldn't inherit our politics from our parents in general but make our own minds up looking at things as we would anything else objectively.
It's so great you can draw inspiration from your dad

[joeysteele]

[QUOTE=Kizzy;7779107]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Sorry Joey didn't mean to say your dad in particular in my post haha.
I just meant we shouldn't inherit our politics from our parents in general but make our own minds up looking at things as we would anything else objectively.
It's so great you can draw inspiration from your dad

You said nothing wrong, I agree we shouldn't follow blindly those in our families as to what party we support.

I am glad I did exactly what you suggest in the latter part of your post.

I looked for what was right, what was wrong, found it and moved on, following my own path,and very happily too.