[Hofman]

Originally Posted by Nancy Littlebottom

Still laughing

[rionablue]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

Aaron is revolting and I am glad to see the back of him. But kicking him out for that is absurd!

Obviously it was making Joel uncomfortable, but it was a bit of drunken fun, that could have been ended with a warning from BB

This is a blatant publicity stunt to drum up interest in the show. And it just makes the whole thing look even more ridiculous.

This show is an utter joke

I don't think it was that alone. Aaron had been 'baiting' Joel with days saying he must be gay because of the films and music he likes. Joel kept denying it but Aaron was on and on about it. Add that to last nights shenanigans and really Aaron stepped over the line. Any time that Aaron has been drunk he has been a mess, throwing up and having the housemates have to physically lift him into bed. What I was annoyed about was that none of the housemates told Aaron to leave Joel alone when it went on and on. I cant stand Joel but Aaron was an absolute and utter twat. I would be uncomfortable with him also in the house specially (as I have already mentioned) that Aaron had been baiting him

[waylander1973]

Originally Posted by just thinkin

Oh so it's joels fault now....blame the victim syndrome alive and well in the uk.

I think what Hofman is saying, that this is not a black and white situation, plenty of blame to around.

Like I said on other thread, this involved a lot of housemates and big brother itself, not just two like Chloe and Jeremy in the last CCB.

The housemates saw what was happening so did big brother.

[Hofman]

Originally Posted by rionablue

I don't think it was that alone. Aaron had been 'baiting' Joel with days saying he must be gay because of the films and music he likes. Joel kept denying it but Aaron was on and on about it. Add that to last nights shenanigans and really Aaron stepped over the line. Any time that Aaron has been drunk he has been a mess, throwing up and having the housemates have to physically lift him into bed. What I was annoyed about was that none of the housemates told Aaron to leave Joel alone when it went on and on. I cant stand Joel but Aaron was an absolute and utter twat. I would be uncomfortable with him also in the house specially (as I have already mentioned) that Aaron had been baiting him

Well said, feel pretty much the same

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

I can only speak for myself but if I was in Joel's position and was uncomfortable with a naked gay man harassing me then the LAST thing I would do is laugh about it and throw cushions at him.

I would leave the room and actually seek out big brother to complain.

Joel has stitched Aaron up here big time.

I agree, I wouldn't be in a bath or a room with anyone I felt intimidated by.

[just thinkin]

Waylander..my post was not directed to hoffman.

[waylander1973]

Originally Posted by just thinkin

Waylander..my post was not directed to hoffman.

Sorry.

[Northern Monkey]

It was nasty vulgar and disgusting.If he did that to a woman he would expect pepper spray in the eyes.If that little pervert did that to me i would've knocked him out cold as soon as he came near me.Joel is still a teenager and has more than likely never experienced anything like that before.He looked uncomfortable and did'nt know how to deal with it.Just picture a naked man doing that to a 19 year old girl,He would be out on his ear and branded a sex pest.That bloke from Baywatch got kicked out of CBB for far less,He only touched her dressing gown.How anybody can excuse this is beyond me.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

It was nasty vulgar and disgusting.If he did that to a woman he would expect pepper spray in the eyes.If that little pervert did that to me i would've knocked him out cold as soon as he came near me.Joel is still a teenager and has more than likely never experienced anything like that before.He looked uncomfortable and did'nt know how to deal with it.Just picture a naked man doing that to a 19 year old girl,He would be out on his ear and branded a sex pest.That bloke from Baywatch got kicked out of CBB for far less,He only touched her dressing gown.How anybody can excuse this is beyond me.

Yet Hazel wasn't thrown out for pulling Daley's pants down. And Bianca wasn't thrown out despite repeatedly exposing herself and constantly asking a disinterested Winston to have sex with her.

Seems like it is one rule for men and another for women.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

Yet Hazel wasn't thrown out for pulling Daley's pants down. And Bianca wasn't thrown out despite repeatedly exposing herself and constantly asking a disinterested Winston to have sex with her.

Seems like it is one rule for men and another for women.

I always argued that if Daley was gonna be ejected then so should Hazel for pulling his pants down.Again if a man pulled a womans knickers down he would be in an awful lot of trouble.
Bianca did'nt go as far as either of these two situations.

[ThriceShy]

It really is laughable that people are trying to draw a parallel between this situation and some mythical frail, innocent 19 year old girl being brutally ravaged by some huge rugby player.

It was just aaron, a little weedy drunk gay guy, pissing about.

In some previous series it probably wouldn't have even made the highlights show.

[Hofman]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

Seems like it is one rule for men and another for women.

It certainly does in this forum, shouldn't matter what sex's were involved it was wrong. No worse or better than doing it to a women or man

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I always argued that if Daley was gonna be ejected then so should Hazel for pulling his pants down.Again if a man pulled a womans knickers down he would be in an awful lot of trouble.
Bianca did'nt go as far as either of these two situations.

Daley wasn't ejected for the sexual flirtations part of that night though, if he had been ejected for pulling her knickers down and she left alone for pulling his boxers off then I would totally agree that both (if anyone) should be ejected. I honestly expected that night to end in sex..was in total shock as to how it did actually end

[Rorkimaru]

Fact of the matter is if Christian did that to Jade or Ciaran did that to Chloe the entire viewership would be up in arms. Gender and orientation doesn't change the rules for sexual harassment. Regardless of it being without malicious intent these situations have to be judged by how the person being harassed felt not by the intentions of the harasser.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Rorkimaru

Fact of the matter is if Christian did that to Jade or Ciaran did that to Chloe the entire viewership would be up in arms. Gender and orientation doesn't change the rules for sexual harassment. Regardless of it being without malicious intent these situations have to be judged by how the person being harassed felt not by the intentions of the harasser.

That american twin said she felt completely violated by Denise pulling her pants down but denise wasn't ejected.

[Hofman]

Originally Posted by Rorkimaru

Fact of the matter is if Christian did that to Jade or Ciaran did that to Chloe the entire viewership would be up in arms. Gender and orientation doesn't change the rules for sexual harassment. Regardless of it being without malicious intent these situations have to be judged by how the person being harassed felt not by the intentions of the harasser.

Again, great rational thinking, we're on the same wavelength

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Rorkimaru

Fact of the matter is if Christian did that to Jade or Ciaran did that to Chloe the entire viewership would be up in arms. Gender and orientation doesn't change the rules for sexual harassment. Regardless of it being without malicious intent these situations have to be judged by how the person being harassed felt not by the intentions of the harasser.

And if the 'aggressor' is a woman?

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

And if the 'aggressor' is a woman?

Women tend to get free passes. Especially if they are particularly useful for a storyline.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Daley wasn't ejected for the sexual flirtations part of that night though, if he had been ejected for pulling her knickers down and she left alone for pulling his boxers off then I would totally agree that both (if anyone) should be ejected. I honestly expected that night to end in sex..was in total shock as to how it did actually end

I always find that in order to examine the situation fairly it is best to reverse roles.
Daley pulls down Hazels knickers,Hazel gets aggressive with Daley.It would be sexual assault by Daley and Hazel defending herself.Hazel should've been out too.

[Rorkimaru]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

And if the 'aggressor' is a woman?

In my view if a woman did that to another person she would deserve to be ejected as well.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

Women tend to get free passes. Especially if they are particularly useful for a storyline.

Does that make it right?

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I always find that in order to examine the situation fairly it is best to reverse roles.
Daley pulls down Hazels knickers,Hazel gets aggressive with Daley.It would be sexual assault by Daley and Hazel defending herself.Hazel should've been out too.

You cannot base reaction to an event on action taken on previous events particularly at a superficial level. I will never understand why forums will champion the aggressor, trying to make excuses for them at every turn.

Aaron's behaviour was unacceptable on any level. While it may not look it, the BB studio is a work place environment and is subject to the same rules and regulations. There is no way on this earth that Aaron's predatory behaviour would be acceptable in ANY environment, the excuses being made are reminiscent of the victim was asking for it scenario. Its unequivocally wrong, and it was absolutely correct that Aaron was removed.

[Hofman]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Does that make it right?

Hell no, it should be equality for all in reward and punishment. Double standards have no place in a modern world

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

That american twin said she felt completely violated by Denise pulling her pants down but denise wasn't ejected.

[Kizzy]

She was at least warned, Biancca wasn't.