[waterhog]

do you blame joel or arron for arron's eviction ? 29.05.15

its written all over the cover
this is fact and not criticism
disapproval will come from his mother
you even top more of a let down then kristian.
yes arron was flamboyant
over powering was his presence
this "submissive" was often dominant
but never having decorum or elegance.
at 19 was fresh meat
on show was flesh and nipple
arron had a attraction to beat
down his body i saw the ripple.
now onto the victim
who has done nothing wrong or sinister
joel is like a hidden vitamin
this is proof he is material for prime minister.
noing all the correct wording
the BB manual was no doubt a read
joel in the DR left BB curdling
perfect at planting his political seed.
yes it was arrons downfall
but joel would have been better to brave
Big Brother had no alternative and could not stall
that's why if joel is PM them to posterity cuts don't wave.

[rionablue]

Originally Posted by waterhog

do you blame joel or arron for arron's eviction ? 29.05.15

its written all over the cover
this is fact and not criticism
disapproval will come from his mother
you even top more of a let down then kristian.
yes arron was flamboyant
over powering was his presence
this "submissive" was often dominant
but never having decorum or elegance.
at 19 was fresh meat
on show was flesh and nipple
arron had a attraction to beat
down his body i saw the ripple.
now onto the victim
who has done nothing wrong or sinister
joel is like a hidden vitamin
this is proof he is material for prime minister.
noing all the correct wording
the BB manual was no doubt a read
joel in the DR left BB curdling
perfect at planting his political seed.
yes it was arrons downfall
but joel would have been better to brave
Big Brother had no alternative and could not stall
that's why if joel is PM them to posterity cuts don't wave.

No poem to answer this one waterhog. Sorry

[waterhog]

don't keep me hanging riona - what your view - should arron been removed ? and has your opion on joel changed ?

[waterhog]

morning babes by the way lol

[chuff me dizzy]

How the hell can Joel get any blame whatsoever ?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

How the hell can Joel get any blame whatsoever ?

He apparently encouraged it by throwing a cushion and saying no.. and didnt tell aaron to **** off...this means its his fault.

Edit. Oh, he also felt totally comfortable with the qwhole situation and only made out he felt uncomfortable to get aaron kicked out..

[waterhog]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

How the hell can Joel get any blame whatsoever ?

i am not saying to blame for the incident but i am saying being so clever to no the rules and what words to use ie my personal space may have provoked BB to chuck him out even if this was going to already happen. bb are aware of the rules and would have dealt with it - what people are upset with is joel using the words in the dr which atomacticaly determined arrons faith.

i am glad arron is gone but i do believe joel would have come out better if he did not so called grass.

[Niamh.]

Aaron of course and also a little blame towards Harriet and any of the other HMs who were encouraging him. How any blame can be given to Joel is pretty baffling tbqh

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

He apparently encouraged it by throwing a cushion and saying no.. and didnt tell aaron to **** off...this means its his fault.

Edit. Oh, he also felt totally comfortable with the qwhole situation and only made out he felt uncomfortable to get aaron kicked out..

You couldn't make it up

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Aaron of course and also a little blame towards Harriet and any of the other HMs who were encouraging him. How any blame can be given to Joel is pretty baffling tbqh

Same here ,Harriet should have been warned ,and not just because I dont like her, but she pushed Aaron onto Joel

[waterhog]

with joel i am saying he capitalizing in the DR on the incident with the words i am sure he is aware of which will have to end with someone being thrown out. i am not blamming joel for arrons actions - just in the way he has dealt with it.

a better example would have been - not to have gone in dr and spoke like he did and took at back seat and when bb chucked arron out been very humble.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Same here ,Harriet should have been warned ,and not just because I dont like her, but she pushed Aaron onto Joel

absolutely agree and I'm no fan of Joels I can tell you

[rionablue]

Originally Posted by waterhog

don't keep me hanging riona - what your view - should arron been removed ? and has your opion on joel changed ?

Aaron should definitely have been removed. As you may know already Joel is my least favourite housemate. But last night I did feel sorry for him and he was right to tell BB he was uncomfortable. At no stage should Joel have been blamed for his diary room conversation with BB leading to Aarons removal. Aaron had been baiting Joel with days. He overstepped the mark. Last night was probably the only night for the rest of the series I felt sorry for Joel. He still remains firmly at the bottom of the pack of housemates for me.

[Shaun]

Aaron because he...did...it?!?!?!

How is this even a question

[Absorption]

I blame Jade! It must have been her fault!

How? Erm...hold on...ah yes! She used the time machine to go back before he was born, fiddled around with his genes and made him gay!!

[rionablue]

Originally Posted by waterhog

with joel i am saying he capitalizing in the DR on the incident with the words i am sure he is aware of which will have to end with someone being thrown out. i am not blamming joel for arrons actions - just in the way he has dealt with it.

a better example would have been - not to have gone in dr and spoke like he did and took at back seat and when bb chucked arron out been very humble.

In every incident similar to this one on BB up to now the 'victim' has been called to the diary room so that BB can find out how they are feeling e.g. Hazel with the incident between her and Daley and many more also. BB obviously called Joel to the diary room once they had spoken to Aaron and asked how he felt. He was absolutely right in telling them how he felt. I would have felt the very same way. Aaron and Joel might have been able to live it out in the house if there was never again drink given to the housemates but Aaron was a disgrace when drunk as was shown last week when he was vomiting and had to be carried into the bedroom by the housemates

[cheapbbfan]

in what world is it Joel's fault?

[parmnion]

I blame Aaron for having fun, BB for not meddling earlier and joel for over dramatising the situation in the diary room. Sort of sums up both hm time in the house as well.

You got to look at Joels previous, the way he hams it up, "I HATE JADE" " SHE'S A BITCH" he does like to go to extremes when he talks, to me the way he described it in the diary room wasn't the real level of outrage, just like how he doesn't really hate jade etc.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I blame Aaron for having fun, BB for not meddling earlier and joel for over dramatising the situation in the diary room. Sort of sums up both hm time in the house as well.

So in your mind people who attempt attempt to sexually attack someone is having fun and its the victims fault for over dramatizing it you really couldnt make it up

[Patricia4]

Aaron he acted stupid how can people blame Joel he did nothing wrong.

[Jamesy]

Aaron's to blame ultimately. This has been building up since day one, Aaron lusting over Joel, making sexual remarks (lets not forget when he went into detail about how he wanted Joel to tie him down and 'dominate' him). Even on the night the whole spin the bottle kiss thing was incredibly awkward.

The rest of the house are to blame in a small way. Egging Joel on during spin the bottle and pushing him into a very awkward corner. Then when Aaron was thrusting himself towards Joel everyone else was just watching or laughing, it was pretty much a spectacle for the house. You could see with some people, like Chloe, that they weren't that amused by it although I'm shocked no one thought for one second to intervene and stop Aaron, after Joel said several times for Aaron to stop. Joel was very awkwardly laughing and you could tell he was extremely uncomfortable with it.

Joel expressed how he felt in the diary room and that was none of this fault. We've seen for the past few weeks how awkward Joel has been with some things around Aaron. I don't think he was being dramatic in any sense. Having someone of the same sex who you don't fancy come thrusting their genitals up towards you constantly while everyone around you is laughing is pushing the boundaries. There's fun then there's going too far, Aaron was going too far.

Big Brother made the right decision. They've got to look at the whole picture, and while Aaron posed no real serious threat to Joel or the housemates, he was starting to get too close with Joel, making Joel feel uncomfortable and dampening Joel's enjoyment and experience of living in that house. Big Brother has to be there to ensure the housemates feel safe and comfortable. If nothing happened and this carried on Joel would have just ended up snapping that night, or soon at least.

If the housemates held Aaron back in the first placed and stopped Aaron he would still be in that house. To be fair to Aaron he did say sorry profusely, although it was too little too late, and it would have been too risky for Big Brother to have kept him in and this situation escalate further.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by adamski94

So in your mind people who attempt attempt to sexually attack someone is having fun and its the victims fault for over dramatizing it you really couldnt make it up

Well you just did.

[Liam-]

It's Aaron's fault completely, no other way around it.

[joeysteele]

Aaron definitely, he is the one who should control what he does,it may have started out in joking fashion but the continuance of it made it totally unacceptable.
Joel repeatedly said stop it and even tried to move away from the area,only to find his space and bed invaded too by Aaron.

What I found more amazing was no one said to Joel,'was it really bothering him'.
They actually helped encourage things to continue.

Also, Joel may have seemed to be smiling and laughing but sometimes when you don't know how to deal with an uncomfortable situation, that is what some people do.
He saw everyone else laughing at the goings on,so kept his own counsel while likely hoping it would cease.
Obviously, when asked in the diary room, he was able to express how uncomfortable it had become for him.

So no doubt for me, Aaron was in the wrong throughout.

[Kazanne]

Aaron is to blame,,who are the 4 who voted Joel? Get on the naughty step.