[Jack_]

Precisely my point, he will win (but God forbid it's Kendall, awful woman) and it'll prove everything I just said

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Precisely my point, he will win (but God forbid it's Kendall, awful woman) and it'll prove everything I just said

Yes a strange one

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Delighted he got enough noms, that's the first thing they've got right now we can have a proper debate and one that'll highlight just how much support left wing policies have and how very little Labour are doing to appease them

eg. NHS, minimum wage, lgbt rights

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

eg. NHS, minimum wage, lgbt rights

Anti-austerity, re-nationalisation of the railways etc etc

Excited that they'll be a voice championing these things in the debate though!

[MTVN]

Corbyn might appeal to the Labour membership but not to the electorate. In a way the problem facing Labour is a bit like that facing the Republicans in the US - candidates have to appeal to the Labour grassroots to secure the leader position but they then have to phrase themselves in a very different way to win over the country as a whole, or at least to win over those parts of the country that are needed to win an election. I don't think Miliband was too left-wing but I do think he was caught between those two impulses and he never reconciled them. I was reading an article yesterday saying how Blair's success was that he was a Labour leader who didn't look like a Labour leader. The country hasn't elected a 'proper' Labour leader since Wilson in a drastically different time. The only one who really seems to appreciate that is Kendall but I can't see her winning unfortunately. Cooper and Burnham must be the two most uninspiring front runners of a leadership contest in a long long time.

[arista]

[Cooper and Burnham must be the two most uninspiring front runners of a leadership contest in a long long time. ]

Yes MTVN
something Jack must debate

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Anti-austerity, re-nationalisation of the railways etc etc

Excited that they'll be a voice championing these things in the debate though!

No
they can not go back
to expensive

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

No
they can not go back
to expensive

Maybe not so, if he can get this onto the agenda again,who knows what the future holds especially if the railways continue to get even more expensive and seemingly little done to improve services.

In the election campaign,I found people who felt the railways should be under State control again,some of them not even Labour supporters.
I even found those who felt while Ed Miliband talked tough as to the energy companies,they didn't take him seriously completely because they felt he should be saying they should e back under State control.

Sometimes people get fed up of seeing competition whereby all they get from it is rising prices and little improvements.
Such as the Water authorities in the South even too.

Jeremy Corbyn can open up a new agenda that at this time will look different to what near all the other parties stand for.
He will not win the leadership,he can however open up areas of debate that would normally be taboo topics during it normally.

I like him the more I hear him.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Precisely my point, he will win (but God forbid it's Kendall, awful woman) and it'll prove everything I just said

I really don't mind her myself Jack_ .
However having met her,she does, when she talks to you come across in a condescending way and a tone to boot too.

This is a very important choice for the party to make and sadly,the choice is limited in my view.
So they need to really spell out what they really mean as much as just what they will say.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Maybe not so, if he can get this onto the agenda again,who knows what the future holds especially if the railways continue to get even more expensive and seemingly little done to improve services.

In the election campaign,I found people who felt the railways should be under State control again,some of them not even Labour supporters.
I even found those who felt while Ed Miliband talked tough as to the energy companies,they didn't take him seriously completely because they felt he should be saying they should e back under State control.

Sometimes people get fed up of seeing competition whereby all they get from it is rising prices and little improvements.
Such as the Water authorities in the South even too.

Jeremy Corbyn can open up a new agenda that at this time will look different to what near all the other parties stand for.
He will not win the leadership,he can however open up areas of debate that would normally be taboo topics during it normally.

I like him the more I hear him.

I am Sure He will Use it alot
but as he can not win
the other 3 will beat him down

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

I am Sure He will Use it alot
but as he can not win
the other 3 will beat him down

You are right.
He knows he has nothing to lose however so can really make an issue of many things as to policies and challenge them on where they stand and what they think.
With him in the contest,I do feel it has taken a turn for the better.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

You are right.
He knows he has nothing to lose however so can really make an issue of many things as to policies and challenge them on where they stand and what they think.
With him in the contest,I do feel it has taken a turn for the better.

We will see
Burnham is not a Good leader

so Far Brown and Miliband
both put there by dodgy ways
were chucked in the bog


2020
we will see
who all the Leaders
of each Party are
and No BBC Dimbey there

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

We will see
Burnham is not a Good leader

so Far Brown and Miliband
both put there by dodgy ways
were chucked in the bog


2020
we will see
who all the Leaders
of each Party are
and No BBC Dimbey there

I really like Andy Burnham, although I am of the view he should have got it in 2010.
He would have connected better than Ed did I feel.

I am not sure what I think at present,so will wait to see what they say and all the reactions to same.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I really like Andy Burnham, although I am of the view he should have got it in 2010.
He would have connected better than Ed did I feel.

I am not sure what I think at present,so will wait to see what they say and all the reactions to same.

Burnham
is Damaged goods
you can have him

Who needs Labour
Feck Em'

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Burnham
is Damaged goods
you can have him

Who needs Labour
Feck Em'

The Country does and that will be realised sooner than later I hope.

[smudgie]

Awww, it appears he got the nominations he needed at the last minute, all to make Andy Burnham look less left wing.
Tsk tsk, politics is a dirty game.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

The Country does and that will be realised sooner than later I hope.

There was a Great Report
on Ch4HD News tonight


Showed why Labour is lost.

One Former Labour Women Voter
told them why - Labour no longer represents
the working people.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

There was a Great Report
on Ch4HD News tonight


Showed why Labour is lost.

One Former Labour Women Voter
told them why - Labour no longer represents
the working people.

She may well have a point but that is not in any way beyond either putting right, or being proven to not actually be the case at all.

[arista]

[empire]

this guy insulted working class voters who did not, vote for labour this year, corbyn and labour are living in cuckoo land, labour's biggest weakness is their belief, that they have an entitlement too the working class vote, just because they clam that they are the working people's party, corbyn thinks calling ex labour voters all the names of the day, and still call's himself a socialist, labour deserve to lose the working class vote, there are huge reason's why, they lost this year, their delusional egotist, ways mean that they will never change, and are stuck in their arrogant way of thinking,

[arista]

He was just Live on SkyNewsHD "Murnaghan"


Marr on BBC1 kept saying he wanted Jeremy on.
He should have got his producer
to set up a Live Link in Newcastle
before he went on SkyNewsHD Live


Marr had T.Hunt Labour MP, on
who spoke badly about Jeremy

[joeysteele]

Just maybe someone is needed to really offer a totally different vision for the future of the UK.
In 2020, we may well be out or coming out of the EU,there could be a bigger mess to sort out than any financial mess left in 2010.

Politics swings wildly at times,maybe on a whole new rebuilding role as to where the UK goes out of the EU or building a new relationship post referendum within the EU, it may well be that as in the past, a whole new approach again is supported.

Jeremy Corbyn may yet have a message that will inspire those who would like to vote Labour but who see Labour as just a milder form of the Conservatives,to really go out and vote rather than not vote at all.
There is a lot going on in the next 2 to 3 years.this govts overall majority could be easily gone by then, the EU issue will inevitably lead to some constitutional chaos and if the vote is to leave,then Scotland will be baying again to wanting to leave the UK.

All that will affect the economics of the UK and it could well be the case that anyone looks better than what we have by 2020.
I think the next 4 years at least, are going to be traumatic for this govt and also very exciting too as to how the voters loyalties are stretched and where the political mood swings to.

[arista]

Jeremy Corbyn
is better than Burnham.

[joeysteele]

On paper,a strong,(anti all things Labour),Conservative telling me a labour leadership contender was better than another would have me believing more that the one they didn't 'prefer',(using the term loosely), would be the one to go for.

Then again thinking about it, it may just be you have hit on something and that Jeremy Corbyn, if he was Labour leader, would have a message in 2020,that would reach far more voters overall across the whole of the UK,than just the almost one party Conservative state of the far south of England would like to see.

[arista]

SkyNewsHD now is using a clip of
Marr. BBC : T.Hunt MP having a go

Then there Interview
with Jeremy.