[the truth]

YES CORBYN ALL THE WAY FOR ME

Id LOVE TO SEE US renationalise the utilities and the railways (we can dream) AND THE CROOKS AT BT. WHY SHOULD THEIR MONOPOLY EAT UP THE MARKET. THERES NO FREE AMRKET COMPETITION IN ANY OF THESE SECTORS, ITS A SICK JOKE

lower vat with a view to scrapping it down the line

more levels of income tax rates

social housing (build a load)

pull out of EU but remain as a trading partner

scrap paying housing benefits direct to tenants

build up the ombudsmen and complaints departments in all local government and the nhs....allowing troubleshooters more chance to complain and get problems dealt with...even 50%of doctors in hospitals felt bullied and intimidated by fellow staff members in nhs hospitals

massive investment in the industries...building long term jobs. look reopen the best deep coal mines

look at projects again like the severn barrage scheme....with our winds and high tides, its insane not to utilise them fully to give energy to this little island and makes us less vulnerable to the Russians

masterplan to revive town centres and become less enslaved to retail giants
lower rates, scrap car parking charges etc....reduce dismantled speed bumps and speed cameras that are NOT near schools

more regulations and taxes on bankers also raise ths standards of those companies doing credit checks for banks. theyre stopping the cash flow to good people

stop selling arms to evil regimes, regardless how profitable it is

no more spin and lies, keep spin doctors outside politics. try and tell the truth

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by arista

Jeremy Corbyn
is better than Burnham.

Definitely.

Much less predictable too. Yvette and Andy really aren't anything fresh or exciting, and Liz may as well switch to the tories.

[the truth]

I detest EVERYONE ASSOCIATED WITH THE EVIL NEW LABOUR PROJECT....EVEN BEYOND THE ILLEGAL WARS, THE ENDLESS CIVIL SERVICE COVER UPS, THE SELLING US OUT TO THE EU AND THE STINKING 587 PAGE CONSTITUION, THE CORRUPT COUNCILS (ROTHERHAM) THE ABSURD OBSESSION WITH TRIVIAL ISSUES LIKE FOX HUNTING WHICH WAS DEBATED LONGER THAN THE IRAQ WAR? FFS AND THE COUNTRY GOING VIRTUALLY BANKRUPT...BUT TO ME THE BIGGEST SCAM OF ALL IS THE NHS AND THE INFINITE COVER UPS AND COMPLETE CHAOS AND FAILURE. I REJECT THE NOTION THIS IS A DECENT SERVICE...ITS NOT REMOTELY DECENT. THE ONLY GREAT WORK IS DONE BY THE SCIENTISTS AND DOCTORS. BUT THEYRE ALL HELD BACK BY THE BILLIONS IN MIDDLE MANAGEMENT AND CORRUPT WASTEFUL NHS TRUSTS....THE SET UP STINKS. THE SERVICE STINKS. THOUSANDS HAVE DIED FROM NEGLECT AND NEW LABOUR COVERED IT ALL UP. WHATS HAPPENNING STILL IN NHS WALES UNDER WELSH LABOUR IS FRANKLY HORRIFYING. PEOPLE ARE RUSHED INTO LETTING THEIR LOVED ONESDIE, WITH BARELY A PROEPR EXPLANATION EVEN AS TO WHY...OVER HALF THE HOSPITAL DOCTORS FEEL BULLIED BY FELLOW STAFF EVEN NOW. ITS A NATIONAL DISGRACE

[empire]

the labour party to this day, abandoned and betrayed the white working class people, with a multicultural ideology that did not work from day one, it did more harm in causing a racial divide, and made it even less possaible for everyone to integrate, labour also sold out jobs to cheap labour around the world, leaving the younger generation with no future, in jobs with stable wages, child neglecting under labour rose pretty high, they weakened the police forces, with making name calling, and posting offensive posts on facebook a more serious crime, they have let british children run wild with there behaviour, and not let parents give them a hard clip round the ear, instead they get the soft treatment with oh, they have behaviour problems, labour have a very anti white, anti english, attitude, and they say that the working class will come back to vote for them, it shows how out of touch they are, broken britain term has a long list on it, under labour,

[the truth]

I agree with every word. new labour were all style and no substance. all front and no back. champagne socialists, sheep in wolves clothes. in the end their populist policies, banning of free speech, pandering to the workless masses to try and keep their vote,selling us out to Europe, bankrupting the economy, deregulating the banks, the endless council and nhs cover ups, the disastrous foreign policies, their dreadful tenure and immoral actions lead everyone to be worse off. they were a bunch of fascist dangerous clowns who couldn't run a market stall

[arista]

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Definitely.

Much less predictable too. Yvette and Andy really aren't anything fresh or exciting, and Liz may as well switch to the tories.

Corbyn is fresh and exciting? His politics haven't changed in 40 years

[joeysteele]

Doubt he is in the lead, maybe with some sections able to vote but not overall,there are a few sections eligible to vote.
He is probably going to do far better than many thought however.

[MTVN]

The Tories react to the news that Corbyn has taken the lead

[James]

First and foremost a leader of any major party has to have the backing of its own MPs, so the leader can form policies, and put them to the public under the party name at elections.

Ed Milliband has left the Labour party with a pretty flawed system for voting a new leader which doesn't give MPs much of a say. They could end up with a leader who doesn't represent the views of his own MPs. Which could lead to a split with a new SDP being formed.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by MTVN

The Tories react to the news that Corbyn has taken the lead

I am not that sure it would be necessarily a bad thing.
No one has a clue what the UK will be like in 2020, Europe could be all over the place, the ISIS threat could really undermine govts of all Nations.

The UK could have voted to leave the EU and then Scotland could be baying for another independence referendum in light of that.

A greater constitutional chaos could be in place that would near eclipse any economic problems from 2010.

A whole new vision,as I said before, from someone who has a totally different view as to how the UK rebuilds after that and in light of what are the realities of the time, such as Corbyn, may just sweep a new mood as in decades past.
He is not my choice for Leader at all but I am not now that sure, he would be necessarily the wrong choice.
Especially with the likelihood of another extreme right wing leader of the Conservatives likely in Boris Johnson, George Osborne or if they were really mad the pathetic and useless Theresa May.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Doubt he is in the lead, maybe with some sections able to vote but not overall,there are a few sections eligible to vote.
He is probably going to do far better than many thought however.

The Telegraph and Social Media
is urging readers
to Pick J.C
and pay to join
Labour just to make him Win.



Sneaky Plan
to Kill Labour Off

[arista]

Originally Posted by James

First and foremost a leader of any major party has to have the backing of its own MPs, so the leader can form policies, and put them to the public under the party name at elections.

Ed Milliband has left the Labour party with a pretty flawed system for voting a new leader which doesn't give MPs much of a say. They could end up with a leader who doesn't represent the views of his own MPs. Which could lead to a split with a new SDP being formed.

Yes just so long it Kills Labour for Good
we are happy at our workplace.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I am not that sure it would be necessarily a bad thing.
No one has a clue what the UK will be like in 2020, Europe could be all over the place, the ISIS threat could really undermine govts of all Nations.

The UK could have voted to leave the EU and then Scotland could be baying for another independence referendum in light of that.

A greater constitutional chaos could be in place that would near eclipse any economic problems from 2010.

A whole new vision,as I said before, from someone who has a totally different view as to how the UK rebuilds after that and in light of what are the realities of the time, such as Corbyn, may just sweep a new mood as in decades past.
He is not my choice for Leader at all but I am not now that sure, he would be necessarily the wrong choice.
Especially with the likelihood of another extreme right wing leader of the Conservatives likely in Boris Johnson, George Osborne or if they were really mad the pathetic and useless Theresa May.

Corbyn's vision isn't new at all though. I agree that the world could be moving into new territory but that's all the more reason why 1970s old Labour politics can't provide the solutions. Labour had this debate in the 70s and 80s - Corbyn would just be another Michael Foot. That said I don't think the other three candidates are up to that much either really and none of them are having much of an impact. Matthew Norman made a good point yesterday I think when he said:

Jeremy Corbyn’s candidacy presents a glaring paradox. He is by light years the best candidate, in that he actually believes in things and can articulate those beliefs in a way humanoid life forms can understand...Corbyn’s beliefs, on the other hand, have survived the passage of four decades intact, which is why he is by light years the worst candidate. Those beliefs are noble and sincere, but only about 17 people in this country share his faith in the command economy.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-10389228.html

I cannot believe that Labour would ever win an election under Corbyn. If he does win the leadership contest - and I can't believe he'd win that either - then I think most Labour MPs really will be hoping that they can get rid of him within a couple of years and have a new face in before 2020.

[arista]

Corbyn is Real Labour


The other 3 are Tory Lite


What a fecking mess

[arista]

"I cannot believe that Labour would ever win an election under Corbyn."


Yes MTVN

thats why so many us
want him as their Leader.

[Ross.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

The Tories react to the news that Corbyn has taken the lead

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes just so long it Kills Labour for Good
we are happy at our workplace.

Labour will never be killed off arista,not that I can see in my lifetime anyway,just as the Conservatives never will too.
Sorry to disappoint you, with the former just as I am a little disappointed with the latter.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Labour will never be killed off arista,not that I can see in my lifetime anyway,just as the Conservatives never will too.
Sorry to disappoint you, with the former just as I am a little disappointed with the latter.

We will see

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Corbyn's vision isn't new at all though. I agree that the world could be moving into new territory but that's all the more reason why 1970s old Labour politics can't provide the solutions. Labour had this debate in the 70s and 80s - Corbyn would just be another Michael Foot. That said I don't think the other three candidates are up to that much either really and none of them are having much of an impact. Matthew Norman made a good point yesterday I think when he said:



I cannot believe that Labour would ever win an election under Corbyn. If he does win the leadership contest - and I can't believe he'd win that either - then I think most Labour MPs really will be hoping that they can get rid of him within a couple of years and have a new face in before 2020.

I agree with most you say but there will be a whole new generation of voters from 2010 in 2010 who to them Corbyn could be the only one with a different message.
Anything different could easily attract if things go badly as to what I outlined before.

As I said, Corbyn is not my choice and I don't think he will win either,even if he was just ahead the 2nd preference votes will deny him that.

In politics however,the oddest things happen and 5 years is an eternity in politics.

[arista]

'Panic Time' For Labour As Corbyn Tops Poll

[Some 43% of Labour supporters would back left-wing MP Jeremy Corbyn
as the party's new leader, a YouGov poll suggests.
The results are a setback for Blairites as their candidate Liz Kendall
is trailing in last place on 11% when people were asked for their first preferences.
Bookies' favourite Andy Burnham was on 26% while the remaining
candidate Yvette Cooper was currently in third place on 20% in the poll, for The Times newspaper.]

http://news.sky.com/story/1523051/pa...rbyn-tops-poll

[waterhog]

come back tony

[arista]

Blair live on SkyNewsHD
is giving a speech in Central London
he just said I would not vote that far left
even if they won.


Joey Blair is Rotten Wood

[the truth]

corbyn WILL win now that lying warmonger blair has backed against him....what an arrogant tosser he truly is
its NOT a matter of simply left or right, that argument is for dumbos
its a matter of looking at each individual issue on merit
fundamentally corbyn does want some redistribution of wealth....he was ferociously anti Iraq war so his judgement was great there...if he is smart enough to see where labour totally failed then he may get my vote. some sectors need to be renationalised , water gas electrics for starters and british rail and the steel and coal industries. its a joke to think any company can afford to maintain the tens of billions of infrasturctures required....in gas water electrics there is NO FREE MARKET NO COMPETITON AT ALL THEYRE SIMPLY FULL BLOWN MONOPOLIES AND PRICE FIXING CARTELS....id also have the monopolies and mergers commission investigate BT. who are attempting to take over the free world

[joeysteele]

Well this battle has really come alive now for sure.