[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Didn't he use to say "It's Big Marc's House"? Not anymore it isn't!

Saying that, and having control of the house are completely different things...

[Kazanne]

I don't think he's as much of a control freak,but I do think he is frustrated,Marc has had a military background and is disciplined ,you could tell that by the way he didn't flinch when Danny got in his face,I think that is why he keeps on till he gets the truth(but it never comes)I just think he is VERY frustrated at the fact none of the numpties can see why he gets annoyed because NONE of them only Harry has been fair in the Brian situation,all the rest are like little lambs following the big I am Danny as they think he's popular,Most people like people that are different ,look how many people were impressed with Harry who stood alone defending Marc and she doesn't even like him,so no I don't think he wants control,but I do understand how frustrated he must be at not being able to get a straight answer from any of the sheep.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Saying that, and having control of the house are completely different things...

It will be interesting to see how Danny acts if Marc goes. Without him he has no storyline.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Saying that, and having control of the house are completely different things...

Its Danny that said it was his house just after Marc entered,people have short memories,Marc was taking to piss out of that when he said it.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Its Danny that said it was his house just after Marc entered,people have short memories,Marc was taking to piss out of that when he said it.

I think they both want to be in control.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I think they both want to be in control.

danny definitely,Marc would just like the truth I think,he'll be waiting a long time

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

danny definitely,Marc would just like the truth I think,he'll be waiting a long time

I'm fed up of these two always picking at each other, to be honest.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Think he had a fair point with Cristian actually. Cristian was blabbering on about what others had TOLD him happened...which has been the problem all along, none of them actually know/saw anything that Marc did, they just go on what Brian told them he did.

That's not really true. There were several times when Brian was goaded that other housemates crowded him to try to calm things down. They saw what happened and their impression was that Marc pushed Bryan's buttons. Marc was grinning, loving it at the time, making little comments while his beloved anus Helen was going in for the kill.

You can't stand behind a bully, grin and encourage, then claim it wasn't me. It doesn't wash. If he was so innocent why did he get a warning?

In any heated situation people get an impression of what is happening and who the aggressors are but after a few days have passed you expect them to remember every word spoken. I very much doubt you can remember every word Bryan spoke. I don't remember specifics without a refresher. What I do remember is Marc being there and part of it every step of the way.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by jaxie

That's not really true. There were several times when Brian was goaded that other housemates crowded him to try to calm things down. They saw what happened and their impression was that Marc pushed Bryan's buttons. Marc was grinning, loving it at the time, making little comments while his beloved anus Helen was going in for the kill.

You can't stand behind a bully, grin and encourage, then claim it wasn't me. It doesn't wash. If he was so innocent why did he get a warning?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

That's not really true. There were several times when Brian was goaded that other housemates crowded him to try to calm things down. They saw what happened and their impression was that Marc pushed Bryan's buttons. Marc was grinning, loving it at the time, making little comments while his beloved anus Helen was going in for the kill.

Ahh I see. So what you mean is, Brian snapped, the others crowded round him to chill him out, and because Brian went OTT...that meant he was goaded. Gotcha

Originally Posted by jaxie

You can't stand behind a bully, grin and encourage, then claim it wasn't me. It doesn't wash. If he was so innocent why did he get a warning?

Good question. BB didn't seem to know either really, they appeared to give him it for saying Brian was a psycho. In an argument...

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Ahh I see. So what you mean is, Brian snapped, the others crowded round him to chill him out, and because Brian went OTT...that meant he was goaded. Gotcha



Good question. BB didn't seem to know either really, they appeared to give him it for saying Brian was a psycho. In an argument...

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Ahh I see. So what you mean is, Brian snapped, the others crowded round him to chill him out, and because Brian went OTT...that meant he was goaded. Gotcha



Good question. BB didn't seem to know either really, they appeared to give him it for saying Brian was a psycho. In an argument...

Bryan got angry, yes but his buttons were definitely being pushed to get him there. However that last time he was silent and looked close to tears, they'd worn him down and Marc was still coming with the psycho comments. It's fine to disagree, we got a different impression of the situation. Gotcha?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Bryan got angry, yes but his buttons were definitely being pushed to get him there. However that last time he was silent and looked close to tears, they'd worn him down and Maec was still coming with the psycho comments. It's fine to disagree, we got a different impression of the situation. Gotcha?

When HELEN was going at him? Also he looked raging tbh, not close to tears but we clearly see that differently

The problem with the whole situation is some appear to have merged Marc and Helen into one person...and Marc actually told Helen to calm down. Not that he is responsible for what she says mind, as much as it appears some would like him to be

[Vicky.]

For the record I definitely don't think Marc was innocent in the whole thing either. I just fail to see why people cannot see Brian was as much at fault and most of the time actually brought Marc into it

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

When HELEN was going at him? Also he looked raging tbh, not close to tears but we clearly see that differently

The problem with the whole situation is some appear to have merged Marc and Helen into one person...and Marc actually told Helen to calm down. Not that he is responsible for what she says mind, as much as it appears some would like him to be

I don't think they are in any way one person. Marc was more an excited terrier snapping at the heels while Helen went in for the kill. If you misinterpret me in your pro Marc ferver that's your issue not mine. Your response implies that you are misinterpreting me greatly because you have a different view.

If you think Bryan wasn't clearly upset maybe you should watch it again. Arguments take more than one person at fault. I can only give my impression of how it came across to me.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I don't think they are in any way one person. Marc was more an excited terrier snapping at the heels while Helen went in for the kill. If you misinterpret me in your pro Marc ferver that's your issue not mine. Your response implies that you are misinterpreting me greatly because you have a different view.

If you think Bryan wasn't clearly upset maybe you should watch it again. Arguments take more than one person at fault. I can only give my impression of how it came across to me.

I don't need to watch it again. IMO he was fuming, not upset. He was about to lose his temper badly, and Helen was doing all she could to make that happen. |Hence the 'what you going to do' type comments to wind him up more :S

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

For the record I definitely don't think Marc was innocent in the whole thing either. I just fail to see why people cannot see Brian was as much at fault and most of the time actually brought Marc into it

This is exactly where you are misinterpreting me. I have never said Bryan didn't shout on occasion and sometimes gave as good as he got. I'm still in sure why he tossed his shoe that time. I do feel that Helen and Marc were both goading him, pushing him. Helen was the main aggressor but Marc was not a wilting wallflower who didn't take part.

[abhorson]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I only read this far but had to reply.

Someone who naturally leads is a someone who people naturally follow. They are the heart rather than the head of the group. A natural leader oozes confidence but is never egotistical and doesn't control or ever try to control, but enables those around him towards positive outcomes. Marc is anything but a natural leader, he's a control freak who continually judges other house mates in a passive aggressive way. everything he does is about advancing his own agenda. He constantly tries to manage his audiences impression of himself and he tries to influence other house mates away from certain people in the house.

Yes, he's a game player to be sure but he's not a very good one and he's about as far away from being a natural leader as he is from being a comedian.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I don't need to watch it again. IMO he was fuming, not upset. He was about to lose his temper badly, and Helen was doing all she could to make that happen. |Hence the 'what you going to do' type comments to wind him up more :S

If I was bothered by others opinions on the event I would probably go watch it again. I'm always open to being wrong.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

If I was bothered by others opinions on the event I would probably go watch it again. I'm always open to being wrong.

Good for you. I have a good memory though and remember saying to my partner before the murder rapist stuff,. my god he looks about to belt her.

Disclaimer: This does not mean I think he would have actually hit her. But the anger in his eyes seemed that obvious...

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Trasadkel1

They are both control freaks hence why they clash so much.

Yes!

Get that common ground.

[DemolitionRed]

We all need to accept that this is nothing more than a complete clash of personalities.

From where I was sitting, I witnessed Marc goading other house mates and even intimidating other house mates long before he went into the bunker. Harry was the first person to really stand up to him and look how she got ostracised. Then Brian came in and had a go but unlike Harry, he didn't do so in a calm cool fashion; he got angry, he got emotional and he made a bit of a fool of himself. When Brian first lost it, he didn't lose it about the way he was being treated, he lost it because of the way Helen and Marc were being with other house mates. It wasn't just about Chloe crying at Helens words, it was about how Marc and Helen were tag teaming and ostracising certain members of the house.

Brian...even though he made an emotional mess of things...was applauded by me back then because without Brian all we would of had was a house full of puppets and Marc and Helen as their puppeteers. Much as some people hate Brian, he did cause that initial stir at a critical point.

Danny jumped on that and found himself some bravery. Brian gave Danny the courage to do what he's doing now and the problem I see is, Danny is now taking it too far. He's like an inexperienced snowboarder who's venturing more and more off piste and causing unnecessary avalanches.

Danny and Marc are as bad as each other but unlike BOTS who seem to believe Marc and him are very similar, they aren't. Marc is intelligent, manipulative and cunning and the only emotion he has is anger. Danny is a poser, a scared rabbit in the headlights that desperately wants to be seen as brave but doesn't have the intelligence to realize when he's going too far.

They just need their heads banging together!

[cassieparis]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I only read this far but had to reply.

Someone who naturally leads is a someone who people naturally follow. They are the heart rather than the head of the group. A natural leader oozes confidence but is never egotistical and doesn't control or ever try to control, but enables those around him towards positive outcomes. Marc is anything but a natural leader, he's a control freak who continually judges other house mates in a passive aggressive way. everything he does is about advancing his own agenda. He constantly tries to manage his audiences impression of himself and he tries to influence other house mates away from certain people in the house.

Yes, he's a game player to be sure but he's not a very good one and he's about as far away from being a natural leader as he is from being a comedian.

Succinct and True.

[abhorson]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

We all need to accept that this is nothing more than a complete clash of personalities.

From where I was sitting, I witnessed Marc goading other house mates and even intimidating other house mates long before he went into the bunker. Harry was the first person to really stand up to him and look how she got ostracised. Then Brian came in and had a go but unlike Harry, he didn't do so in a calm cool fashion; he got angry, he got emotional and he made a bit of a fool of himself. When Brian first lost it, he didn't lose it about the way he was being treated, he lost it because of the way Helen and Marc were being with other house mates. It wasn't just about Chloe crying at Helens words, it was about how Marc and Helen were tag teaming and ostracising certain members of the house.

Brian...even though he made an emotional mess of things...was applauded by me back then because without Brian all we would of had was a house full of puppets and Marc and Helen as their puppeteers. Much as some people hate Brian, he did cause that initial stir at a critical point.

Danny jumped on that and found himself some bravery. Brian gave Danny the courage to do what he's doing now and the problem I see is, Danny is now taking it too far. He's like an inexperienced snowboarder who's venturing more and more off piste and causing unnecessary avalanches.

Danny and Marc are as bad as each other but unlike BOTS who seem to believe Marc and him are very similar, they aren't. Marc is intelligent, manipulative and cunning and the only emotion he has is anger. Danny is a poser, a scared rabbit in the headlights that desperately wants to be seen as brave but doesn't have the intelligence to realize when he's going too far.

They just need their heads banging together!

Great insight. My thoughts exactly. Both are trying to be Alpha, but in different ways. But to me, Marc is the (as you say) manipulator, instigator of all the fractious tension.

Some may like that. I am not one of them. I believe that this type can in some cases lead to bad connotations if successful in life in the wrong postions.

[arista]

Marc would beat Danny in a fight