[Will.]

A little comparison:

TXF 2015 launched with a Million drop on the previous year (7.33M in total)

A million is 1/8 of the viewing audience of XF (8M)

CBB2016 launched with a 400K decrease on the previous year. (2.8M)

400k is 1/8 of the viewing audience. (3.2M)

So both shows have lost the same amount of viewers on launch.

Obviously not precise as I rounded slightly.

[bbuk_fans]

the problem with the demographic of shows such as bb, x factor etc, they are more likely to catch up online more than any other demographics, which means in general most shows are down in overnights.

*edit* well its not a problem as such, just maybe, a little bit less concerning.

[Jason.]

Originally Posted by Will1999

Didn't CBB13 climb?

Yes

[Will.]

CBB15 continued with 2.5M on the second night (700k decrease 3.2M)

CBB13 continued with 1.8M on the second night (it was a Saturday though), 1.6M decrease (3.4M).

CBB11 continued with 2M on the second night, a 1.5M decrease. (3.5M)

So I'd guess around 2.1-2 for tonight, maybe less. It depends.

[Jason.]

Not a bad rating. I mean it's inveitable given the decrease of TV viewership in the past year. So with officials coming in it should be around 3.2/3.2m (just as I predicted) which isn't too bad.

[Jason.]

I think the series will average 2.8m officially

[Will.]

Originally Posted by Jason.

Not a bad rating. I mean it's inveitable given the decrease of TV viewership in the past year. So with officials coming in it should be around 3.2/3.2m (just as I predicted) which isn't too bad.

yeah, all is good. I very much doubt CH5 are crying over the rating

Same, in my first post I predicted high 2M's due to decrease in TV viewership.

I think this series will hold steady and won't loose many viewers.

[Will.]

Tonights competition:

BBC1 - David Attenborough
BBC 2 - Three Days Of Terror - The Charlie Hebdo Attacks
ITV - Midsomer murders.
CH4 - 24 HRS in A&E
CH5 - CBB

[Jason.]

I think C5 need to stop worrying about ratings and focus more on the quality of the show rather than trying to get high viewers, because it won't happen. They made that mistake in BB16, which could've been a good series had they not tampered with it and kept it natural like the first few weeks week. Yeah it still would've rated crap, but I'd rather have a good series which rates rubbish than a crap series which rates rubbish.

I also think the viewership decrease is down to people not watching live TV much anymore as opposed to the show being crap (in CBB's case anyway, with BB it's because it's crap)

[Will.]

Originally Posted by Jason.

I think C5 need to stop worrying about ratings and focus more on the quality of the show rather than trying to get high viewers, because it won't happen. They made that mistake in BB16, which could've been a good series had they not tampered with it and kept it natural like the first few weeks week. Yeah it still would've rated crap, but I'd rather have a good series which rates rubbish than a crap series which rates rubbish.

I also think the viewership decrease is down to people not watching live TV much anymore as opposed to the show being crap (in CBB's case anyway, with BB it's because it's crap)

Very true, along as it stays consistently above like 2M then they shouldn't worry, just focus on creating an iconic series, which they have done with CBB over the last couple of years.

I just get bored of BB sometimes, I think having it on for like 10 weeks is too much, unless they cut down the amount of episodes, everynight is overkill, no other show is on everyday like that for 10 weeks.

2 hours on Sunday, 1 hour on Wednesday, and 90 mins on Friday.

[Jason.]

I personally don't think the duration is the reason why it's rating low. I don't think 10 weeks is too much given it used to air for 13 weeks about 10 years ago and still get like 4m viewers (I mean I know it's not a good comparison given the show was more better/relevant back then and it was...10 years ago) but even three years ago a 10-week series could average 1.9m (even BB13 was doing well in the ratings and was rating a comfortable 1.8m before the Olympics came along).

Having a highlights show every few days would be awful given C5 hardly show us much in a one hour nightly episode with all the montages, coming-ups, previously, and the warning titles. So to fit 3 days worth of footage into a one hour Wednesday episode would probably do more harm than help. The silly stunts and gimmicks is why the show has failed in recent years, and unfortunately C5 live and breath them so the format will continue to rot and rot because they've lost a heavy amount of loyal viewers during BB15/16 and they won't learn and will continue to lose more and more. It's the reason why shows like TA and IAC are still doing well a decade later, because they don't have silly gimmicks and they keep the format largely the same. If you compared to the format of BB7 to say BB16, it'd be a completely different show. Heck if you compared the format of BB12 to BB16, it'd be a different show.

[Will.]

Yeah I get were you coming from, it probs wouldn't work with CH5.

kind of annoying how the first 2 weeks of BB16 rated really low but once we had 4in4out ratings went up.

they need to just follow BB13/14 as a template and they should be fine.

[*mazedsalv**]

we don't have the +1 yet but last night got 2.00m excl. Probably 2.2m with +1. Launch got 2.8m.

There is usually a 25% ish drop from launch to first hls, so standard drop. In fact, I think CBB11 had a drop from 3.4m to 2.0m, which is much larger fall.

[Will.]

That's ok.

Beat CBB 11 and 13.

[*mazedsalv**]

DS:

BBC1:
Dickensian- 2.66m
Sir David Attenborough's Great Barrier Reef​- 3.20m

ITV:
Midsomer Murders​- 5.36m

Channel 4:
Secret Shopper​ with Mary Portas- 1.50m
24 Hours in A&E​- 2.09m
Katie Piper's Bodyshockers- 993k

Channel 5:
Celebrity Big Brother- 2.19m

It's not bad considering that right now bar Gogglebox, A&E seems to be C4s flagship show and it beat that.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

That's decent and pretty much the norm for the 1st episode seeing as most people don't tune in as they stupidly think its just a recap *Bangs head against wall* I think tonight should rise the launch was great BUT i'll be honest this is the first CBB in years where everyone is all lovey dovey and im really scared we may get another CBB8/CBB11.

Someone just punch someone in the face ffs! lol

[*mazedsalv**]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

That's decent and pretty much the norm for the 1st episode seeing as most people don't tune in as they stupidly think its just a recap *Bangs head against wall* I think tonight should rise the launch was great BUT i'll be honest this is the first CBB in years where everyone is all lovey dovey and im really scared we may get another CBB8/CBB11.

Someone just punch someone in the face ffs! lol

Yeah it's not bad.

I mean CBB11 went from 3.4m to 2.0m in one day. CBB13 went from 3.3m to 1.9m in one day (however that was a Saturday). So it's higher than both of them, both series ended up surging in the ratings. Don't know how CBB11 surged considering how awful it was!

I agree with you about the recap. I don't think tonight will rise because last nights BB wasn't received very well. I reckon 1.9m incl +1 sadly.

The lovey dovey stuff wont last. The first 3-4 days are usually pretty dead, it then explodes after the first eviction usually. Also, I see Jonathan and Angie already had a tiff this morning so that's a story we can follow.

Lol, I don't condone violence but if he makes a stupid comment in the house, I'd love for him to get punched sadly the person doing the punch will get kicked out though!

[Will.]

I predict 2.3M for tonight.

I'm making a little table for the ratings.

[Will.]

Celebrity Big Brother 17 Ratings!

Launch night - 2.81M (14%)

Lowest launch figure for Jan CBB. Up against Silent Witness.

Day 1 - 2.19M (9.9%)

A good rating for the first highlight show, beat CBB11 and 13, not as high as 15.

[Jake.]

*17

[JoshBB]

I predict 2.07m for tonight

[*mazedsalv**]

2.04m incl +1 for last night.

Meh, it did beat everything on C4 and BBC2, but we should be prepared for the lowest rated winter series IMO.

Winter series:
CBB9- 2.6m official average
CBB11- 2.8m official average
CBB13- 3.0m official average
CBB15- 3.1m official average

Shame, CBB17 is going to reverse that

[Will.]

2nd highlights of Winter CBB:


CBB15: 2.25
CBB13: 2.33
CBB 11: 2.07

NOTE: I didn't put CBB15's second overnight as that was a live show which always rates higher, so took the third highlight show.

It's actually decent, remember TV viewership is down. a 100-200k loss is acceptable considering most shows are losing a lot more viewers.

200k is like 10% of an audience decrease.

CBB11 averaged 2.3M views overall which I'm sure this series can beat once it really starts progressing.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

This series is a grower not a shower lol there will be an incident I guarantee it and ratings will pick up.

Cant believe theres an eviction tonight though whats the point? Literally 3 days in the house.

[Will.]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

This series is a grower not a shower lol there will be an incident I guarantee it and ratings will pick up.

Cant believe theres an eviction tonight though whats the point? Literally 3 days in the house.

yeah, it will most likely follow CBB13.

I'm sure the rows in CBB13 took a few days to properly begin?

Yeah it seems a bit pointless, should have just waited until Tuesday.